CCMtg09-03-08MinLONGWOOD CITY COMMISSION
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West. Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
MINUTES
September 3, 2008
'7:00 P.M.
Present: Mayor Brian D. Sackett
Deputy Mayor Ii.G. "Butch" Bundy, Jr.
Commissioner John C. Maingot
Commissioner Dan Anderson
Commissioner Mike Holt
Donovan Roper, Acting City Attorney
John J. Drago, City Administrator
Linda F. Goff, Recording Secretary
Tom Jackson, Police Chief
Tom Smith, Division Manager of Streets/Fleet
~ Richard Kornbluh, Division Manager of Utilities
Carol Rogers, Director of Financial Services
~ Laurie Mooney, Fire Chief
Ryan Spinella, Executive Assistant
Paul Sizemore, Director of Community Services
Fran Meli, Recreation Program Manager
Chris Kintner, Community Development Coordinator
Absent: Sarah IVI. Mirus, City Clerk (Excused)
1. CALL TO ORDER. Mayor Sackett called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
2. A moment of SILENT MEDITATION was followed by the PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE.
10. PUBLIC HEARINGS. (PART 1)
A. City Administrator recommends the City Commission read. by title
only, set September 15, 2008 as a public hearing. date, and approve the
first reading of Ordinance 08-187 which fixes the tentative rate of ad
valorem taxation for the fiscal year commencing October 1, 2008 and
ending September 30, 2009.
Mr. Roper announced having proof of publication for the Public Hearings
' on the Agenda. He then read Ordinance No. 08-1875 by title only.
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Mayor .Sackett read the following statement:
The tax rate being proposed for FY 2008/2009 is $4.9900 per $1,000 of
non:exempt assessed valuation. Said rate is 6.8856% lower than the
rolled-back rate of $5.3595 per $1,000 of non-exempt assessed
valuation as computed by F.S. 200.065.
Mayor Sackett opened the public hearing. No one spoke in favor or in
opposition to the Ordinance.
Commissioner Maingot moved to close the public hearing.
Seconded by Commissioner Holt and carried by a unanimous voice
vote.
Commissioner Maingot moved to approve the first reading of
Ordinance No. 08-1875 and set September 15, 2008 as a public
hearing date. Seconded by Commissioner Holt and carried by a
unanimous roll call vote.
B. City Administrator recommends the City Commission read by title
only, set September 15, 2008 as a public hearing date, and approve the
first reading of Ordinance -08-1876 which adopts tentative revenues,
expenditures and fund balances for the City's fiscal year budget
commencing October 1, 2008 and ending September 30, 2009.
Mr. Roper read Ordinance No. 08-.1876 by title only.
Mayor Sackett opened the public hearing. No one spoke in favor or in
opposition to the Ordinance.
Commissioner Holt moved to close the public hearing. Seconded
by Commissioner Anderson and carried by a unanimous voice
vote.
Commissioner Holt moved to approve the first reading of
Ordinance No. 08-1876 and set September 15, 2008 as a public
hearing date, as presented, Item 10 B. Seconded by Commissioner
Anderson and carried. by a unanimous roll call vote.
3. COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS. Ms. Goff read the following
announcements:.
A. City of Longwood Heroes' Day Celebration, Longwood Police
Department, 235 West Church Avenue, Tuesday, September 11, 2008,
7:00 p.m.
B. What is Diabetes will be held on Monday, September 15, 2008 from
11:00 a.m. until 1:00 p.m., Longwood Community Building, 200 West .~
Warren Avenue.
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Mayor Sackett requested Chief Jackson to come forward and discuss the
Agenda for the Heroes' Day Ceremony.
Chief Jackson reviewed the Tentative Agenda for September l lth Heroes'
Remembrance Ceremony.
Mayor Sackett said September 11th was on a Thursday, with the event
beginning at 6:45 p.m. and the Official Ceremony at 7:00 p.m. He inquired
if any of the other Commissioners desired to, join him in speaking.
Commissioner Maingot said he would enjoy speaking at the event.
Mayor Sackett suggested they theme the speeches so not to be redundant.
Deputy Mayor Bundy suggested John Pedaling lead the Pledge of
.Allegiance. He said Mr. Pedaling was the gentleman on the 9/11
Commission that acquired and presented the City with the piece of steel
from the World Trade Center. He stated Mr. Pedaling was also a retired
firefighter.
Commissioner Maingot. inquired how we .stood in terms of participation
from other cities and dignitaries.
Chief Jackson ..said they sent out over two hundred invitations, but they
have not had an overwhelming response. He attributed this to the storms
and other events going on.
Commissioner Maingot suggested Lyman High School Choir be invited to
lead in singing the National Anthem.
4. RECOGNITIONS.
' A. District #2 Presentation of the Business Person of the Month Award
for September 2008 to Longwood Babe Ruth Baseball League of
Seminole County, Inc.
Commissioner Anderson said the. work Longwood Babe Ruth Baseball
League of Seminole County, Inc. does, and the contributions they make at
the field are stellar. Most important, what they give to the children and
families seems to grow each year. He stated it was great to build teamwork
and character in children. He presented Mr. Warren Brown, President,
Longwood Babe Ruth Baseball League of Seminole County, Inc. with the
Business Person of the Month Award for September 2008. Photographs
were. then taken.
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5. BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
A. Appointment of a Citizen Representative to the MetroPlan Orlando
Citizen Advisory Committee.
Deferred to the next City Commission meeting.
B. District #1 Nomination to the Ethics Committee.
Commissioner Maingot nominated JoAnne Rebello.
1VIs. Goff advised Ms. Rebello serves on another board and members
cannot serve on more than one board.
Commissioner Anderson said this was an advisory committee. He inquired
if it would count as a second board.
Mr. Roper said he would cheek into this matter filrther and report back.
C. District #2 Nomination to the Ethics Committee.
Commissioner Anderson said he was going to nominate David Putz.
However, he also serves on another committee.
D. District #3 Nomination to the Ethics Committee.
Commissioner Holt nominated Mirtha Martinez, 660 Sweet Briar Branch
Road. Nomination carried by a unanimous voice vote.
E. District #4 Nomination to the Ethics Committee.
Deputy Mayor Bundy deferred the nomination.
F. District #~ Nomination to the Ethics Committee.
Mayor Sackett deferred the nomination
6. PUBLIC INPUT.
A. Public Participation.
Tom C DeNegre, 330 Ferdinand Drive, said last Friday they had a bit of
an emergency in Longwood with Lake Fairy flooding. He called Tom
Smith and they were there within 30 minutes. He stated they cleaned the
canal and this allowed the water to flow taking away the threat to the
houses on the lake. He said it was his understanding the Haunted House
may go away this year. He stated this was an asset to Longwood and
people would like to see it stay. He said if they could raise money through
private or businesses, he would like to see this happen. ~
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Tonv Rossi, 580 Majestic Oak Drive, Apopka, said he has a business he
has had for 25 years just off of North Street. He recently got his. dealer's
license back andhe rented some space across the street. He stated he frst
went to Planning and Zoning to make sure it was zoned appropriately..
They told him it was,. but no vehicles were allowed to be outside with a
For Sale sign. He accepted this because he has old ears and may only sell
two or three a year. He said he went to get an occupational license and the
license for that operation is nearly $400 a year. His affirmed his concern
with this fee was if he cannot advertise like a new car dealership, the tariff
to operate 'it should not be the same. He stated it does not seem fair to have
the same rate, or he should be allowed to operate the car business with For
Sale signs out on the property, or if limited, it should be considered to
_ ~ have a lesser fee. He said he wants to comply, but at the end of his one
year lease, he would have to .look at this very hard to continue to operate
this business or moving his primary business from the City of Longwood.
JoAnne Rebello, 3'01 Loch Lomond, said during Tropical Storm Fay many
of our sister cities and surrounding counties experienced severe flooding.
She stated she was proud to say Longwood faired much better due to the
foresight of this Commission, our Administrator, and the hard work of our
employees. She said with three new Tropical Storm systems heading this
ivay, she believes Longwood will again be in a superior position in dealing
with overtaxed stormwater systems. She stated, though she is not ecstatic
to be paying another fee, she does see how our stormwater improvements
have made a positive impact on our City. She said she realizes to make it
look easy it requires a lot of hard work and planning:.
Levin Lewis, 840 Lyns Drive, said he received a notice this was a meeting
about the new proposed taxes. He came because he had a few questions
from the three documents he received. He stated they have a small
business and operate the office out of their home. He. gave figures from
his notice of how their taxes increased this year from last year's taxes.
Mayor Sackett said this notice was from the Seminole. County Tax
Collector's Office. He inquired if they had contacted them.
Mr. Lewis responded in the affirmative, but said he didn't get any
answers.
Mayor Sackett advised this was based on what Seminole County was
assessing properties and the taxes are based on that. He asked Ms. Rogers
to get with Mr. Lewis and go over the documents with him.
Richard T. Grimaldi, 1485 Shadwill Circle, Heathrow, said he was a
business and property ownet° in Longwood. He stated he can understand
this gentleman's confusion. He said the millage rate has reduced slightly
or stays the same, but the assessment and the market value goes up
tremendously and this results in the increase of taxes. He stated in one
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year, from 2007 to 2008, the assessed and market valuation of his property
has gone up 69%, 54%, and 153%. He said it looks good that the millage
rate is the same, but it is really a shell game.
Jerry Fedele, 190 Overstreet Avenue, said his concern was with flooding.
His house is an older home, built in 1974, which means he is the lowest
point on the whole block. He stated prior to the homes being built beside
him, his property never flooded. However, currently the water runs off
onto his property. He said now that the street is paved, it is higher and his
driveway flooded up into his garage. He stated he received a bill to pay for
assessed value on the street. He said he didn't think he should have to pay
this until all of the flooding problems have been corrected.
7. CITY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. No report.
S. 'MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS' REPORT.
District #3. Commissioner Holt thanked all Department Heads, City staff, the
Commission, and Administrator for the foresight they had with the stormwater.
I=Ie stated they did a great job and moved all the water they could. He said
regarding the Haunted House, if Mr. DeNegre can come up with something to
contact the. City Administrator, and the Commission will be willing to listen. He
stated the bottom line was that the money is not available.
Mayor Sackett said it was his understanding. there are rivo issues with the Haunted
House. He stated the fire safety issues were a major concern, as well as budget
issues. He said the overtime costs to construct this were almost $90,000. He
agreed to see what options Mr. DeNegre may have and suggested he meet with
the City Administrator. He spoke with the Longwood Chamber of Commerce
President this morning to make him aware it was gone. The Longwood Chamber
President said there was a Chamber Board meeting this Monday and they will put
it on the Agenda to see what they can do with corporate,. business, and private,
sectors. He stated there was also. a time issue with only seven weeks prior to
Halloween.
District #4. Deputy Mayor Bundy said he had one thing they needed to address
and it regards stormwater, Tropical Storm Fay, the upcoming storms and Fairy
Lake. He stated they had several near misses with drainage issues going into Lake
Fairy and coming out going into Lake Katherine. He said Billy Stroud lives in the
very sharp curve on Grant Street going towards Dog Track Road and he had the
concrete culverts and driveway collapse into the canal. He stated Mr. Stroud has
talked with Commissioner Anderson a few times, and through his efforts, the City
Engineer and Mr. Kintner Have gone out tb check this area. They are now getting
into some jurisdictional disputes. In the meantime, there is a lot of concrete in the
middle of this ditch. He said there is a storm on its way and there is no more
absorption in the ground. He talked with County Commissioner Henley today
and had a short. conversation with Mr. Johnson, Director of Public Works from
the County. He said Mr. Stroud has some steel beams that he. would like to put ~
down and the County was checking to see if they have any of the one inch road
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plate available to give him so to create a temporary access. He stated he would
like for City staff to work with him on getting the debris cleaned out. He declared
this was going to require a major redoing and.no one wants him to put in another
standard culvert. He said his concern was that this .family has been accessing that
property by a foot bridge that was two feet under water from the last storm. He
stated if they have an emergency, the emergency personnel would not be able to
get to them in a timely fashion. He said he would like to see the City do as much
as we can to help them. He declared this was not only important for this family,
but also for other houses in that area.
Commissioner Anderson said, with regards to the County, an important. thing to
remember is that a significant portion of the input water comes off of County
Road 427 and the County's canals. He stated the yards of the houses off of Tullis
along the canal get flooded every time that the canal goes up. He said, in the
jurisdictional issues, the County does bare some responsibility. He declared that
this not only impacts everybody, not only on Lake Fairy, .but also impacts Lake
Wildmere. He stated Mr. Stroud has no access. and they need to get a temporary
fix and then everyone needs to assume their responsibility. He also added that
now, with the driveway and bridge washed out, his sewer line is unsupported and
in the way. More importantly, his potable water source is in a PVC pipe that is .
sagging and unsupported. He said because of this he has a steady leak and his bill
' will be exceptionally high this month. He stated we need to be aware of that when
he is billed; this needs to be averaged out.
District #5. Mayor Sackett reported he has had a couple of meetings with Florida
Department of Transportation (FDOT) regarding the Commuter Train Station and
the property values. He has additional meetings coming up this Thursday and at
the September 1 Sth meeting he will provide an update.. He stated Candyland Park
is a beautifill park, but signage was needed.
Mr. Sizemore said when the Longwood Trail was done there will be directional
signs.
District #1. Commissioner Maingot reported he came prepared to do a report on
the Florida League of Cities participation. He said he would withhold his report
until the other Commissioners are ready. He will provide the materials he brought
back to the City Administrator.
Commissioner Maingot said in regards to the $400 Business License for
Automobile Sales, he inquired how many other locations did the City have similar
to this.
Mr. Drago said he did not have that information readily available.
Commissioner Maingot asked the City Administrator to check into this matter.
Commissioner Maingot said Longwood's Fire Department does a tremendous job.
He stated with everything going on in Tallahassee, we dodged the bullet this time
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around. He stated talking with people at the Florida League of Cities Confererice; ~
they anticipate we will have a real difficult time. He stated, traditionally with
medical transports, he could not see why we have to have one of our large fire
tracks go ouf to follow a medical transport when they are going specifically for a
medical transport function. He said he has been told it was in ease they needed a
third person for heavy lifts. He suggested the third person sit strapped in the back
of the medical transport if needed. He stated we were in a situation where. the fuel
budget. was high and we could conserve and save money. In anticipation of better
cost control, we need to evaluate and look into this matter to see what we can do
in terms of strictly medical transport. He also inquired with the Police
Department, why we continue to buy large vehicles. He declared we need to think
in terms of a more fuel economical unit, as other cities are doing. He suggested
we look to see if it were feasible down the road to have smaller units to consume
less fiiel.
Mayor Sackett inquired what would they be looking into and who would come
back to them.
Commissioner Maingot suggested the Police and Fire Chiefs explore and come
back to the Commission through the Administrator with what can be done to save
on fuel and medical transit.
Mr. Drago said he can get with the Chiefs to discuss this matter. He stated the
Police Department has a program where they buy and sell cars every year. A lot
of the cost~of the cars is predicated on what the customer wants. He said they still
save money on the maintenance and cost of the vehicles, the way they do the
program. He said the Chief has purchased some vehicles that are a V-8, but they
run on four cylinders until reaching a certain speed. These fuel economy vehicles
are being: injected into the fleet. He said all the other fleet vehicles they buy are
four cylinders. He stated overall, the model they use is a good model. He said he
would get with Chief Mooney on protocol to review the matter.
Commissioner Maingot said regarding the Haunted House, they should try to see
if they can pull this off for this year. He stated he knows there are rivo problems,
one being the fire suppression, and secondly the. cost involved. He said he
checked into this and the overall cost was somewhere between $80,000 and
$85,000 of which approximately fifty percent (5'0%) was in overtime charges. He
stated we have a Parks and Recreation Department, Parks and Recreation
Advisory Board Members and five Commissioners that participate in the event to
make it a success. He said they should be prepared to pitch in their support for the
rivo nights the Haunted House is in operation and drastically reduce the overtime
expenditure. He requested the Administrator to look into the possibilities of what
could be done.
Mayor Sackett said they also need to remember when they did Budget meetings
this was one of the items discussed that was a strain on the Budget. He stated he
also sees the loss of it being a strain on our community. ~J
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Deputy Mayor Bundy said they all sat down. with the Administrator, Ms. Meli,
and Ms. Rogers previously, and while it is regrettable; it is hard to justify
spending tax dollars to set this up. He stated it takes several weeks to construct
and get the Haunted House ready. He has been participating in this a long time
and the expense comes in with setting up and tearing down, not only overtime. He
said since the Building Code has changed, those. types of things are very difficult.
He stated if there were a permanent structure available, perhaps they could meet
code. However, Halloween is less than seven weeks away. He said there will be
an event for children and families with businesses participating.
District #2. Commissioner Anderson said he spoke with Mr. Rossi on the
telephone and asked him to come here so the Commission could hear his issue.
He collects collector ears and this is no where near the same kind of business as a
used or new car lot. He stated Mr. Rossi understands he cannot have cars outside
and run this as a used ear lot. He said Mr. Rossi has already gone through the
State to get his car broker license. He stated he would like the City to look into
whether they are applying the Codes fairly and properly and look to see if they
can do this differently.
Deputy Mayor Bundy suggested they may want to look at an additional
classification. He said he is assuming this was more of a broker than a dealer. He
stated this was more of a private clientele.
' Mr. Drago said they would look into the matter.
Commissioner Anderson said he did not know how they could get by the fire
safety issue with the Haunted House. He stated in a time where they have been
asked to be accountable, financially responsible and not raise taxes, they all made
this hard choice. He said if there was another way to do the Haunted House, each
one of them were behind that and would like to see it continue.
Commissioner Anderson said he has noticed in driving through the City they have
some sign poles painted green with the paint flaking off. He suggested these be
placed in the routine maintenance list:
9. CONSENT AGENDA.
A. Approve Minutes of the August 18, 2008 Regular Meeting.
B. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
payment of approved and estimated bills for September 2008.
C. The City Administrator recommends the City Commission approve a
Change Order to increase Purchase Order 12603 to National Building
Services, Inc. by the amount of $6,000.00 and authorize. the City
Administr-ator to sign the Purchase Order.
D. City Administrator recommends the City Commission approve the
purchase of Lot 189A of Lake Searcy Shores (Tax Parcel #31-20-30-
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503-0000-189A) for $50,000 with $2,000 in associated closing costs and `~~
authorize the City Administrator to satisfy two city liens and sign all
appropriate documents.
Commissioner Holt moved to approve the Consent Agenda'as
submitted. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy and carried by a
unanimous roll call vote.
10. PUBLIC HEARINGS (PART 2)
C. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, hold a public hearing, and
adopt Resolution No. 08-1196, which confirms a wastewater
assessment for the 2008 Wastewater Assessment Area, establishes the
assessment roll -and provides for the collection of the assessment on
the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1196 by title only.
Mayor Sackett opened the public hearing. No one spoke in favor or in
opposition to the Resolution.
Commissioner 1Vlaingot moved to close the public hearing.
Seconded by Commissioner Holt and carried by a unanimous voice _ ,
vote. ~
Commissioner Holt moved to adopt Resolution No. 08-1196, as
presented, Item 10 G. Seconded by Commissioner Maingot.
Commissioner Anderson asked if this was the annual re-authorization of
what they have already done for the wastewater assessments.
Ms. Rogers explained this was for voluntary new assessments added to the
tax .rolls.
Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
D. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read. by title only, hold a public hearing ,and
adopt Resolution No. 08-1198 which confirms a paving assessment for
the 2008 Overstreet Road Paving Assessment Area, establishes the
assessment roll and provides for the collection of the assessment on
the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1198 by title only.
Ms. Rogers introduced Chris Traber with Nabors, Giblin & Nickerson,
P.A. He is our Attorney for special assessments. She said it was brought ~
to her attention earlier this week that we had to make a change in the
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methodology for the assessment and this requires amending the initial
Resolution which is confirmed in this final Resolution.
Mr. Traber explained there were three changes to the Resolution contained
in the Agenda Packets. The first change. is in the body of the Resolution,.
and the~other two changes are in the Appendices. He reviewed the first
amendment, on page three,, Section. 4, Confirmation of Initial Assessment
Resolution .should read as follows:
"Resolution 08-1.1.97, Overstreet Avenue road paving assessment area
Initial Assessment Resolution is hereby amended by adding: Section
1.03 General Findings (J) ...In addition, because a portion of
Overstreet had been previously paved, the four (4) parcels adjacent to
this newlypaved portion will not be assessed crf the rate for the ficll
amount of the project. The property owners will be charged for a
prorated portion consisting of the sidewalk and storn2tivater
improvements only. "
Mr. Traber said the second change from the Agenda Packet version was
on Appendix E, Assessment Roll. He stated the revised or amended roll
represents the lower dollar amounts. The final change is on Appendix D-1,
Notice of Assessments. He advised the last sentence of the first paragraph
currently reads "Resolution No. 08-1198 establishes a maximum annual
assessment rate of X25.00 per front, foot for residential parcels and
$137.01 per front foot for all other types of parcels." This is to be
amended so that instead of $137..01 it reads "....39.33 per front foot for
ccll other types of parcels: "
Ms. Rogers pointed out that the section of the tax roll in Appendix E was.
in a later item and those four parcels will be amended in the tax roll to be
approved for the Tax Collector.
Mr. Drago said the City Attorney had recommended conducting the public
hearing, then make the necessary motions to amend relative to counsel's
recommendation.
Mr. Roper advised it was important to identify, for the. record, the. four
parcels being discussed.
Ms. Rogers identified the parcels to be 174 Overstreet, 525 County Road
427 South, 150 Wildmere Avenue East, and 220 Wildmere Avenue East.
She stated these were all commercial properties.
Mayor Sackett opened the public hearing. No one spoke in favor to the
. Resolution.
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The following spoke in opposition to the Resolution:
Jerry Fedeli, 190 Overstreet Avenue, said'as far as the assessed value for
paving the road, he was in a dilemma. He said he loved the road and
sidewalk, but his property was built in 1974' and he felt the inspection of
other homes on either side of him were not properly taken care of where
the water was not distributing off of their property out to the flow of the
street.. Now with the severe. storms, it is getting really bad running off onto
his property. When the. road was put in, it pitches, creating water coming
up to his garage. He said his entire yard was saturated and he was not able
to flush his septic system going into the house. He stated he was against
this until everything was taken care of.
Mayor Sackett inquired if he spoke to anyone during this storm.
Mr. Fedeli said he spoke to Mr. Kintner by electronic mail and he was
informed about the catch basins they were going to put in. He stated his
other concern was, from what he was told, when other homes were built
around apre-existing property, the water was supposed to be drained off
into the proper areas and not onto the existing property.
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Mr. Sizemore said they did go out to the neighborhood and saw the water
flowing. across Overstreet. Arrangements were made for drains to be put
in to help carry this water across the street. He stated this work should be ~/'
taking place very soon.
Commissioner Anderson said each property owner was responsible to
drain their own property and cannot-send it to a neighbor's property. He
stated the neighbor may need to put in a French drain in their yard.
Mr. Fedeli said this should have been taken care of by the contractors
when the homes were built. He stated he did not want to put this off on his
neighbors.
Commissioner Anderson said the backyard was a secondary issue of what
was before them today.. He inquired if we had a satisfaction this will be
resolved for him.
Mr. Sizemore said the first step was to get the yard drains installed, have
the City Engineer be involved in the installation, and see what kind of
impact this has. He stated because Mr. Fedeli's yard is the low spot, it
flows through his yard to the front. He .said they need to go one step at a
time to see if it resolves the problem. If not,. then they can explore other
options.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said this was rivo separate issues. The City is
responsible for dealing with the .street issue. He stated it may have been ,~~
that the houses met the Code at the time they were constricted. The Codes
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change and even though you are required to retain your stormwater, it also
takes into consideration the calculation of the run. off and sheet flow. He
said when the City does inspections, they don't cheek the grades, but the
engineer on the site should be certifying the grades. He stated our engineer
reviews the plans for sufficiency; but the engineer that seals the plans is
the one ultimately responsible.
Mr. Drago said they would have to pull the house plans. He stated most of
the time swales were- included and over time they may fill in the swales.
Deputy Mayor Bundy moved to close the public hearing. Seconded
by Commissioner Holt and carried by a unanimous voice vote.
Deputy Mayor Bundy moved to approve Resolution No. 08-1198.
Seconded by Commissioner Holt.
Mr. Traber reviewed the amendments to Resolution No. 08-1198 areas
follows:
Amendment 1 -Section 4, Confirmation and Amendment of Initial
Assessment Resolution shall be amended as follows: "Resolution 08-
1197, Overstreet Avenue road paving assessment area Initial Assessment
Resolution is hereby amended by adding.• Section 1..03 General 'Findings
' (J) ... In addition, because a portion of Overstreet had been previously
paved, the four (4) parcels adjacent to this newly paved portion will not be
assessed at the rate for the fill amotcnt of the project. The property
owners will be charged for a prorated portion consisting of the sidewalk
and stormwater improvements only. "
Amendment 2 -Appendix E, Assessment Roll shall be amended as
follows:
LSOV OS 21-30-515-0000-0070 ~ 183.33
LSOV 05-21-30-515-0000-0090 $ 206.67
LSOV 05-21-30-300-005C-0000 ~ .166.67
LSO.V OS-21-30-300-0050-0000 $ 166.67
LSOV OS-21-30-300-00SA-0000 X1,048.80
LSOV 05-21-30-511-0000-0380 $ 629.28
LSOV 05-2.1-30-511-0000-038B $ 550.62
LSOV OS-21-30-511-0000-038A $1,.048.80
' LSOV 05-21-30-515-0000-0010 ~ Sl. 6?
Amendment 3 -amends the last sentence of the first paragraph in Exhibit
D; Notice of Assessments as follows: "...and $39.33 per front foot for czll
other types of parcels. "
Commissioner Maingot moved to approve the amendments.
Seconded by Commissioner Holt.
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Commissioner Anderson said there two things to keep in mind .for these ~-'1
particular parcels. He stated these were business parcels, in which case
they do not. receive the capped rate and are assessed the full rate. He said it
previously had paving and the City chose to tear it out and put it back.
However, they are being assessed for the stormwater and sidewalk
improvements.
Motion to amend carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
The main motion carried, as amended, by a unanimous roll call
vote.
E. The Community Development Division of the Community Services
Department recommends the City Commission read by title only and
adopt Ordinance No. 08-1873 to readopt Chapter 74, Stormwater
Management, of the Lonb vood City Code.
Mr. Drago said due to an advertisement glitch with The Sanford Herald,
he recommended this item be tabled to the next meeting.
Deputy Mayor Bundy moved to table the public hearing to
September 15, 2008. Seconded by Commissioner Holt and carried
by a unanimous voice vote. '
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11. REGULAR BUSINESS.
A. Mayor Sackett recommends the City Commission read by title only
and adopt Resolution No. 08-1201 which encourages the Seminole
County Board of Education to sustain the current level of
transportation services provided to the physically and mentally
impaired involved in the Seminole Work Opportunity Program
(SWOP).
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1201 by title only.
Mayor Sackett said this came out at the Mayors and Managers meeting.
Mayor Bush informed all the Mayors and Managers this Program was
being cut substantially. He stated these were people who are mentally
impaired and feel they can work and are functioning as a positive person.
He said they are learning values, and busing is about to be cut. He stated
they have been asked to pass this forward to encourage support to try and
find funding for this Program.
Commissioner Holt moved to adopt Resolution No. 08-1201, as
presented, Item 11 A. Seconded by Commissioner Maingot and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
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B. City Administrator recommends the City Commission discuss the
Single Family and Duplex Driveway Access Policy and take action the
Commission deems appropriate.
Mr. Roper said there was a related issue on this Agenda, Item 11 L,
coming up that this would relate to. He stated there were a couple of
options that were attached to the Agenda Item. He said the preferable
option would be Option 1 with some amendments. He suggested taking
out the last sentence of paragraph two, and the last sentence of paragraph
five and leave in paragraph seven as this sentence is the totality of
paragraph seven. He stated the differences in Option 1 and Resolution No.
06-1140 is that paragraph six in Option 1 did not exist before. This
paragraph was added at the suggestion of Commissioner Anderson to
provide some mechanism for requesting a variance to the City
Commission for an additional access. The second change is .paragraph
seven of Option 2 that no property owner shall have more than one
additional driveway access on any adjacent right-of--way. He reiterated
that Option 1 was preferable with. the noted changes.
Commissioner Nlaingot said, if he heard correctly, the last sentence of
paragraph rivo is to be deleted.
Mr. Roper responded in the affirmative and said also the last sentence of
' paragraph five. He stated, other than this, he felt Option 1 was preferable
because Option 2 does not have the language needed regarding granting
access from another adjacent right-of-way. He said paragraph four of
Option 2 opens too many possibilities. He stated it should be noted that the
previous Resolution No. 06-1140, passed in 2006, simply talked about the
property owner desiring to park vehicles in the rear yard. Option 1 states
in paragraph five, if the property owner cannot access their rear yard from
the designated driveway right-of--way, then a driveway access can be
granted on an adjacent right-of--way as long as it does not create a public
safety hazard as determined by the Police Chief. He said it was a different
set of semantics and paragraph. five and six of Option 1 would be
preferable.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said these were saying the same, thing they have
always said, if they can't access the rear yard from the designated
driveway right-of--way. He stated he thought they had discussed this and it
was clearly his intention that if they want to utilize their rear yard, whether
they have access or not, they were going to allow it. He inquired who was
going to determine whether they can or cannot access the rear yard. He
said they may be able to access it for one purpose, but maybe not for
another purpose.
Mr. Roper said the current Resolution in effect, 06-1140, paragraph five
states that if a property owner desires to park vehicles in the rear yard and
cannot access the rear yard from the property's designated right-of--way,
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then an access can be allowed provided it does not create a public safety `~-J
issue as determined by the Police Chief. He reiterated, in his opinion, the
preferable language from Option Z and Option 1 is in Option 1, paragraph
five. He reviewed the language of paragraph five of Option 1 and
paragraph 4 of Option 2. He stated if they want. to follow the original
rationale for Resolution No. 06-1140; the preferable way to do this would
be to adopt Option 1 and the language in paragraph five.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said that was the portion he was desirous of
changing. He stated he thought they were going to get out of the business
of deciding whether they could or couldn't, as long as no public safety
hazard exists, and the design standards were. met so not to damage swales
or the infrastructure. He said it does not state who determines if they can
or cannot access. He wants to know ifthe homeowner will decide they
cannot access it the way they want, or will City staff determine they
cannot access the rear yard.
Mr. Roper said. paragraph six allows the property owner to come to the
Commission to request a variance.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said it was stated at the last meeting that no
property owner shall have more than one additional driveway access.
Commissioner Anderson made the argument that there may be situations ,
where somebody may want an additional access, butthey should prohibit ~ ~~
it unless they can come up with a good reason. He stated the Commission
agreed with this. He declared, if someone lives on a corner lot, unless
there is a public safety issue, and they address concerns regarding the
driveway apron and the impact on the sidewalk and gate issues, they
should be allowed to access and utilize their property.
Commissioner Anderson said he was pleased with the way this came out.
It addresses the issues raised and meets the requirements the City
Administrator had for the desire to reduce the number of driveway
openings, while allowing for them where it makes sense. He stated, most
importantly, the City has a tendency when writing policy, that it is very
easy to~ capture 90% of the cases in a few paragraphs. Then they have to
start addressing all of the exceptions. He said in a very neat few sentences
in paragraph .six, if this does not meet your needs, it allows for the process
of a variance. He declared Option 1 addresses the City's concerns, but
also allows the concerns of applicants to be addressed.
Commissioner Maingot said he reads this that the Police Chief is the only
one that determines access can be granted as .long as there is no public
safety hazard.
Mr. Roper reviewed the language for the current Resolution No. 06-1140
and said if the Commission wants to stay true to that form, then the .~~
preferable choice would be Option 1 with paragraph five. If the desire is to
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.get away from the accessibility, they can do this and that is the key
distinction between paragraph four of Option 2.and paragraph five of
Option 1.
Mr. Drago said Option 2, the way crafted, basically is granting a second
driveway opening to any property owner, as long as it does not create a
safety hazard. Option 1 allows for a variance provision. He stated this has
been discussed many times by the Commission.
Commissioner Anderson moved to go with Option 1, striking the
redundant sentences that the City Attorney pointed out. Seconded
by Commissioner Maingot and carried by a three/two roll call vote
with Deputy Mayor Bundy and Commissioner Holt voting nay..
C. The Community Development Division of the Community Services
Department recommends the City Commission review a request from
Rick Lightly to extend the timeframe for a temporary use permit for
Jack's Sports Bar at 274 West SR 434 from 30 to 90 days for a weekly
event.
Mayor Sackett said the last time. this was on the Agenda and it was not
signed properly. In the explanation and background notes, the owner of
the facility has granted permission. He .stated many of these dates have
already passed and inquired if he was asking we allow him to hold these
activities the remainder of September and October.
Mr, Sizemore said this appeared on a previous Agenda and didn't have
property owner's authorization.. The Temporary Use Permit (TUP) was
voided at that time. He stated after the Applicant tnet with the property
owner and received the correct authorization, a few details were worked
out. He said the days were moved from Sundays to Thursdays and the time
was shortened for the events. The.property owner signed the necessary
forms and submitted them to the City so the TUP was reissued. He stated
there was a limitation for a total of thirty days and they had already used a
number of those days. He said without any extensions the current TUP
would expire on September 9th. Mr. Lightly has requested to come to the
Commission because his event is only taking place one day per week. This
was for a total of five days in August when he was permitted to operate
the frill thirty days. He is requesting the additional days in September and
October as listed in the Agenda Item. He advised these dates were on
Thursday evenings.
Mayor Sackett said events have been held and he inquired if everything
seemed to go well.
Mr. Sizemore spoke to Chief Jackson prior to this meeting and he
indicated there were some concerns about U-turns being done. He said if
there were any issues that arose during the course of the event, then they
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would always have the ability to readdress this event continuing to take ~
place. At this time there have been no complaints. Mr. Sizemore stated the
conditions of Temporary Use Permits provides for the City to intervene
for public safety or public nuisance issues.
Commissioner Holt said he cannot understand that they will not give
Lyman High School permission to have a Fun Day Event. However, they
will allow an event with outdoor drinking. at a place on State Road 434.
Mr. Sizemore said the TUP was only to be able to hold the event and has
nothing to do with the consumption of alcohol. He advised the Applicant
would have to go through the State for this. He stated the TUP is routed
through Lt. Cohen of Codes Enforcement and he does review and impose
conditions.
Commissioner Maingot inquired if they could ask for a clarification of
what Commissioner Holt,had stated through the Police Chief.. He asked
Chief Jackson to clarify the point with regards to having a license granted
by the State and the prohibition for the consumption of alcohol outside in
the open.
Chief Jackson said this was referring to a Ciirb Liquor Law. He advised a
convenient store that does not have an on-sight consumption licensing can
only sell. A sports bar or a bar of this nature cannot consume outside the
building unless they have a special permit which is what they are applying
for. He stated there were two issues, one which is the code that allows a
special permit and the second is the State allowing the sale and
consumption of alcohol. He said when you go outside the confines of the
stntcture which is leased to this outside event; he is covered first by the
liquor law through Beverage,. then by our Ordinance. He stated this would
be comparable to the Handle Bar and Grill that holds their outside
barbeque in their parking lot and the Shovel Head which has a beer garden
attached to the side of their building. He said to address Commissioner
Holt's concerns of public safety, they would be present if there is outside
consumption and if it gets out of control, by Ordinance, they would have.
the authority to shut the operation down and the Commission would
revoke their special permit.
Mayor Sackett inquired if they had operated this event hvo or three times.
Mr. Sizemore responded in the affirmative.
Mayor Sackett inquired if there had been any issues.
Chief Jackson said there had been no issues.
Deputy Mayor Bundy asked if there was a limit of the number of
Temporary Use Permits a business can request during a year.
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Mr. Sizemore responded in the affirmative. He said the requirement would
be thirty days up and then ninety days down. He advised it was similar to a
sign permit.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said they would only be able to get three in a year.
He stated the Applicant would be using his up with this extension.
Mr. Sizemore said, since he is asking for something from the Commission
above and beyond,. the Commission could offer conditions if they desired..
Commissioner Holt inquired if the other establishments mentioned went
through the same process.
Mr. Sizemore advised if holding an outdoor event, then they would need
to obtain a permit.
Commissioner Holt said he would like to know how many permits other
establishments that serve alcoholic beverages for consumption have pulled
for the same type of event over the last two years.
Commissioner Anderson said his one concern would be for the night of
October 30th. This night could have the potential for problems.
Chief Jackson said the dates listed were specifically on Thursdays.. He
stated Thursday nights in Central Florida are referred to as bike night. He
said he was sure part of his intent was to become part of the circuit where
riders go from specific locations that have been established. As a new
business, he is trying to create a client base of attraction to bring them
back repeatedly. He advised the Shovel Head has outside consumption,.
but. they have incorporated the side part of their property with a small
picket. fence and an overhang. By doing this they have limited the
mobility of the consumer being adjacent to their property. He knows the
Handle Bar and Grill have had outside events in their parking lot with
outside consumption outside of their confined leased space. He mentioned
two other establishments that have held such events.
Commissioner Anderson said as long as they know people are not getting
on our roads inebriated.
Chief Jackson said that was their focus, the public safety aspect. He stated
with a new function like this,: they are very alert. He said every bar has a
parking lot and it is against the law to drink and drive. He said it is the
responsibility of the consumer to act responsibly or have a designated
driver. He stated if the applicant meets the criteria set forth by the
Commission-and by the State, it is then in the Police Department''s interest
to make sure the public. safety is protected-.and they will monitor the area.
He declared should they not act responsibly then they will act accordingly.
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Deputy Mayor Bundy moved to approve the extension of the
Temporary Use Permit for the dates in question. However, in
addition, this be considered the twelve month worth of Temporary
Use Permits for this property from August 1, 2008 to July 31,
2009. Seconded by Commissioner Holt and carried by a four/one
roll call vote with Commissioner Maingot voting nay.
D. City Administrator recommends the City Commission discuss a
potential collaboration with Seminole County concerning a proposed
new fire station on the northwest corner of Longwood Hills Road and
Lake Emma Road and take action the Commission deems
appropriate.
Mayor Sackett asked Chief Mooney if she could bring them through why
they are at this point.
Chief Mooney said there has been a large influx of building that has taken
place above Longwood Hills Road and the Lake Emma area. She stated
because of our unique system that they rtm with non jurisdictional
boundaries, City units respond to the County in addition to Lake Mary
units responding. She said this has been brought forth to help alleviate
that void area not being covered at this, time.
Mayor Sackett inquired if a station was put in this area, would it allow the
County to focus- more on The Crossings, The Woodlands and Seminole
County properties. He also inquired as to what was the thought in placing
the. station there rather than towards State Road 43'4..
Chief Mooney said she can only refer to the letter provided to her dated
Apri12008. She stated she could not answer for the County as far as why
they chose that location. She can only address the fact that the City
Stations, where currently located, best serve the community and the
incorporated area of Longwood. She said her first priority as the
Longwood Fire Chief was to ensure the citizens get effective and efficient
service: She recommends they maintain this status quo.
Mr. Drago referred to the maps and said this was the way the stations were
laid out for both County and City stations: He said the circles indicate the
radius the stations cover. He stated there were three areas Ms. Coto felt the
County was a little deficient; and he pointed out those areas on the map as
being near Markham Woods Road, Lake Emma and Longwood Hills
Road, and the last one by Alafaya Trail. He said it was his understanding
the reason the County picked the station at Lake Emma and Longwood
Hills Road was due to their owning the property.
Commissioner Maingot said some options had been indicated and he
asked Chief Mooney what was her professional opinion. ~~
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! Chief Mooney declared it was her professional opinion to maintain the
two City fire stations where they are currently located to best serve the
community..
Commissioner Maingot inquired what was the possibility or probability of
negotiating with the County to take on additional coverage they want to
have accommodated by that station and being compensated for the service
provided by the City. He said the City was currently providing the service
and he sees this as an opportunity for the City to continue to provide the
service and be paid for it.
Chief Mooney said there were a couple of ways of addressing that issue,
all of which are political in nature. She stated she tried to stay operational.
She said she agreed there was a void there that needed to be f lied, She
would highly recommend the County open a station somewhere in the
area. However, she does not feel the site selected is the best location. She
stated this was an area that was hard to egress out of because of residential
areas. She said beyond that, she agreed that it does strain the system. She
advised our City units, year to date; have run 2,129 calls, of which 756
were outside ofthe City. She stated that numberincludes other
municipalities and into the County. We have also received units coming
into the City 153 times. She said the City averages close to 4,000 calls a
year.
Mayor Sackett inquired if Chief Mooney was saying she is comfortable
that Stations 15 and 17 were maintaining the quality of fife for our citizens
and we were doing fine with our resources.
Chief Mooney responded in the affirmative. She said so much so that she
would reflect back to the letter itself, which mentions currently both
.stations have recently been renovated,. they have a new outfit of units,
reliable reserve units, and staffing was at a level at which she is
comfortable. She stated she does not see any huge changes needed in the
Fire Department for some time unless the City chooses to aruiex a lot of
additional property or there is a huge increase, in the call volume.
Commissioner Holt,moved to extend the meeting. Seconded by
Deputy Mayor Bundy and carried by a unanimous voice vote.
Deputy Mayor Bundy suggested we not say we don't want a station there
because of the traffic. He said we have to go in the opposite direction of
the same traffic. He stated we do not have enough information to say yes
or no, we are. in the early stages and need to know what they are asking
for. There have been many scenarios put forward and he does not want to
just say no. He said they don't want to see the redundancy of a station at
Lake Emma Road. He stated he did not think a station at Lake Emma
Road, with Station 15 where it is, serves any purpose. As they have
indicated, parcels of land are hard to come by. He said he does not want to
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dismiss it out of hand, but at the same time it requires more information
like how long would the deal be for. One of his concerns is if moving it,
what will the coverage be and will we be covered if we consider it. He
stated perhaps this would be an opportunity to be compensated for some of
our trips if we move forward in a positive approach. He said there were
more details to be forthcoming and suggested a Work Session with the
County.
Chief Mooney said operationally, moving the station further north creates
increased time and response to the southern part of the. City's border and
in doing so, you are also taking on additional unincorporated City area that
our units will be tied up in transporting. She declared it was nice having
two rescues in the. City that can get to any of the homes within four to five
minutes.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said you cannot service an additional area using the
resources eve have at Station 15. He stated if there is a cost sharing
involved, we could perhaps keep Station 15 as a rescue only unit. He
reiterated they need to look into all of the possibilities. He said ninety
percent (90%) of our calls are EMS calls. He stated there were options to
explore. He said if doing this, he knows they are looking at additional
personnel costs.
Commissioner Anderson said the point Chief Mooney made has a subtle ~ ~
aspect. If you move the geographical location of the units, the computer is
going to shift the coverage area of those units north and the computer will
tie iip Longwood's resources to service the County. He said we will
provide better service to unincorporated Seminole County and give poorer
.service to the taxpayers paying for the units. He stated Deputy Mayor
Bundy's point is one they have been making for several years now. If
asking us to commit forty percent (40%) of our resources in to the County,
there needs to be reimbursement. He said we need numbers of what
Longwood is spending to service unincorporated Seminole County and not
getting reimbursed for. He agreed we need to have a Work Session with
the County. He stated we need the County to legitimately tell us, if it is
their decision, that they want us to continue to spend forty percent (40%)
of our budget in the County.
Commissioner Maingot said if we are covering that cost, he sees this as an
opportunity to say to the County, how about annexation of the areas they
want us to cover so it makes esonomie sense to look for a third station.
are providing the service there. This is one way of recouping the
investment. and maintaining the level of service we currently provide to
people and giving a better tax base. for our City.
Mayor Sackett said the County Chairman called him last week and has
requested he call her tomorrow. He stated he is hearing we are not ready ~~
to make a decision, but they would encourage the two Commissions meet
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to see what works best for the two entities. He said our Fire Chief feels our
service is more than adequate and is very comfortable. with. He stated
when this was brought up during the Joint .group; we are. the only City that
brings up this argument. He reiterated we need to sit down and discuss the
matter in a Joint Work Session. He inquired if this was something Mr.
Drago could draft to Ms. Coto or would the Commission be comfortable
with his having a phone conversation with Chairman Carey.
Mr. Drago said if the Chairman was expecting a phone call, then it would
be apropos to call her and explain the Commission's consensus. He stated,
between the rivo of them, to discuss if they want to hold the Work Session.
He suggested getting a feel from the Chairman of the County Commission
for what her recommendation would be.
Chair Mooney inquired if she could recommend when addressing this that
they also look into how the Commission feels about the Interloeal
Agreement they have had for years and has now expired. She said the Fire
Chiefs have put together'an Agreement that was approved and is.now at
the County Attorney's. Office. She advised Longwood has not acted upon
it.
' Deputy Mayor Bundy suggested he stress that it is an opporhinity to work
together..
Commissioner Holt inquired if the Agreement attached to this item was
the Agreement the .Fire Chiefs ptit together.
Chief Mooney said Casselberry modified it slightly, and she had not seen
their amendments. She stated the Fire Chiefs sat down collectively as a
group, and it does not address compensation. This is why she has held
back on giving an opinion. She said the Automatic Aid Agreement works
and has since being, in place, and operationally is very sound.
Commissioner Anderson said it was important to enter into an Interloeal
Agreement. He stated the County can build and staff the station and .
provide service if they don't want to address the issue of the cost to
Longwood for servicing unincorporated .Seminole County. He said in their
discussion they can see. if there is an alternate way of cooperating. He
reiterated it is important to bring up that Longwood does want to enter into
the Interloeal Agreement.
Mayor .Sackett proposed having this joint meeting in Longwood.
Deputy Mayor Bundy suggested changing the order of the Agenda to hear
Item 11 L next since there are people present to speak.
It was the consensus of the Commission to hear Regular Item 11 L next.
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The Commission Recessed at 10:20 p.m. and Reconvened at 10:25 p.m. ~
L. Commissioner Bundy requests the City Commission hear a
presentation from John V. Baum,. Esquire regarding the placement of
an additional driveway access to the rear of the property located at
791 North Wayman Street and removal of the posts.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said this item was on the Agenda a month or so ago.
The Commission decided to address the whole policy on driveway access.
He said Mr. B'ha~wandass requested his Attorney be given an opportunity
to come and address some things that are outside of the Policy.
Mr. Roper said tinder the current Resohrtion No. 06-1140 provides for the
opportunity of Mr. Bhagwandass and his Attorney to come before the
Commission and request a variance.
John Baum, Law Office of John V. Baum P.A., said he represents Mr.
Bhagwandass; owner of the property at 791 North Wayman Street. He
stated when Mr. Bhagwandass purchased the property some years ago
there was no curbing at all on North Wayman Street. He said there was no
way to drive to the back of the lot through the carport without intniding
onto the neighbor's property. He reviewed photographs of the property
that were taken by Mr. Siaemore. Prior to road improvements and curbing
he parked the vehicles in his backyard behind the fence. He stated it was ~ ,
interesting to note that the zoning Ordinance at the time required him to be
able to park four cars on his property of a single family residence. He
could not fit these in the driveway so he did what a lot of other residents
did and put the vehicles in the backyard. At some point,, the roads were
improved and etrrbing put in. Mr, Bhagwandass saw this happening and
the contractor put in a curb cut. Mr. Bhagwandass, at his expense, had the
area between the gate and the sidewalk paved. He did not obtain a permit
to do this and subsequently the curb cut was removed and replaced with a
standard curb and he was told he needed to apply for a permit. He said
when Mr. Bhagwandass applied for a permit and it vas rejected on the
grounds that the Ordinance would not allow him to park any vehicles in
his backyard. He stated at some point after that the City put in posts
bet`veen the fence and the sidewalk to prohibit parking. He said Mr.
Bhagwandass'' brother contacted him on a similar problem on another
corner lot. He said he reviewed the Ordinance some years ago and did not
see what the. problem was. He stated Mr. Bhagwandass asked him to write
to the City again early this year and he received a response. from Mr.
Roper's Office and through their correspondence they found the
Ordinance had been changed since 2004 to allow you to get into your
backyard ifyou did not have access from the main driveway of your
house. He would request the City allowing. hire to use his gate for what its
purpose is, to park vehicles in the back, take the barriers down, and permit
the apron that was there prior to being demolished. He said they were ~~
asking that he be treated like. a good number of other people have been.
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Mr. Roper said under Resolution IVo. 06-1140, subparagraph five, it states;,
"If a property owner desires to park vehicles in the rear yard, and cannot
access the rear yard from the property's designated driveway right-of-
way, then a driveway access can be granted on an adjacent right-of-wc~y
as long as it does not create a safety hazard as determined by the Police
Chief. " He stated the Resolution goes on to state the property owner will
be required to sign a Driveway Access Agreement stating the intended use.
will be for parking vehicles and that he will forfeit the driveway access for
violating the Agreement, and that the property owner will be responsible
for the full cost of the driveway access to be constructed to City standards.
It also states that the property owner will be responsible for the full cost of
closing the driveway access if found to be in violation of the Agreement.
He said there is a mechanism established by the existing Resolution that
would allow this if they can prove he cannot access the backyard to park
the vehicles through the carport. I-Ie will also be required to put in curb
cuts on the side access, provided there are no public safety concerns by the
Police Chief. He reiterated that the way the current Resolution is set up, if
these items are addressed, the Commission may grant a variance. He
stated with what they proposed earlier was to try and. clarify this a little
more. He said the key issue first of all was accessibility through the
current driveway.
~ Mr. Baurn said it did not appear to him it could be done. He stated he was
hugging his property line and using this driveway as currently configured,
. it was not doable.
Mayor Sackett said he owns a property in that area. and he can. access his
back yard from the carport. He inquired if there was something there that.
stops the accessibility such as a swimming pool.
Mr. Dial Bhaawandass, 791 North Wayman Street, said. there was a drain
field and septic tank in the back of the house.
Mr. Roper said that would be a consideration.
Mayor Sackett said the septic tanks and drain fields were all placed in the
middle of the backyards.
Mr. Roper said the Police Chief would need to determine if there were any
public safety issues.
Mr. Baum said his original impression was in 2004 when he applied to do
this, there was no impediment at all and for some reason the City said no.
He said the entry to the. driveway was closer to the corner than the entry to
the side entry requested.
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Mr. Roper said the cost for any type of variance, if it were to be granted, ~`-~
would have to be born by the property owner.
Mr. Baum said when this curbing was originally put in, it had a curb cut
and the City had this removed and had the concrete. apron destroyed as
well, then they put in the barriers. He stated his client paid for the apron
and they were asking his client to put back what was already there.
Mr. Roper advised there was no discretion in the Resolution language.
Commissioner Anderson said he was very disturbed by some points
brought up by Mr. Baum. He stated, if in fact the application was made in
2004,. the City did not have a driveway policy at that time. He inquired
under what basis they hirned it down when he paid for opening and we
determined we were not going to allow the use and took it out to how it is
now.
Mr. Roper advised on May 17, 2004, Interim Community Services
Director,, Patrick Miller wrote a letter to Mr. Bhagwandass and stated his
permit application had been reviewed with accordance to the Longwood
Development Code, and provided for off street parking for single family
units in front of the unit utilizing garages, carports, and/or driveways. The'
maximum number of vehicles allowed for each single family unit was four
and that the building permit for the side yard approach could not be ~~
approved per the Code.
Commissioner Anderson said, except for the fact, that he has a
commercial work vehicle the Code required to be parked behind a fence.
He stated from what they may adopt at their next meeting, he would be
entitled to do this. He said from a standpoint of decency, the fact that he
applied before adopting a driveway policy, and from his interpretation and
understanding of the events, he would have been required in 2004 to put
the vehicle behind his fence. He stated he did not want to establish a
precedent that we pay for all driveway aprons, but when the street was
being paved, if he paid the contractor to put the apron in, and we tore it
out, he is uncomfortable that he be. told he has to pay the cost.
Mr. Drago said he would first have to go back and see if, in fact, the
driveway apron was put in and Mr. Baum's client paid for it. He stated he
believes the driveway aprons are put to the City right-of--way and he
knows he was not being assessed for any of the work on Seminole. He
reiterated he would need to check the records to see if the City put in the
apron and who paid for it.
Mr. Baum pointed out the area of the driveway apron his client put in and
paid for.
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Deputy Mayor Bundy said you can look at the. sidewalk. you can clearly
see it is a different color.
Mr. Drago said he did not remember seeing a driveway apron.
Mr. Bhagwandass said he asked the contractor to put in the curb cut and
he would pay for the curb cut and the driveway. He wasn't aware of any
Code for him to apply for anything at that time.
Mr. Drago said if it was in the right-of--way they had the right to take it out
when they did the road project. He reiterated he would look at the City's
records from when Seminole was paved and if the City paid for a curb cut.
He stated if Mr. Bhagwandass paid the contractor direct he should have a
receipt.
Mr. Baum inquired who took out the concrete and put in the poles.
Mr. Bhagwandass said the City did this.
Mr. Baum said the City should have record of this being done.
Mr. Drago said the City would have record of that, but if the contractor did
install it, he wants to see if the City paid for it and then tell him to remove
~ it. If Mr. Bhagwandass has a record he paid for it, he would like to see
that.
Mr. Bhagwandass said this was done from a favor he did for the contractor
some time ago.
Commissioner Holt said when that road was being paved,, the curb cuts
were on a design standard and the City knows how many curb cuts were
going in and where the sidewalk was going in. He stated if Mr.
Bhagwandass made a deal with the contractor to put in the curb cut and
the apron and he paid for it, it was done to his specifications, not the City
specifications. He said once the City found out it was not drawn on the
way the road was to be built, they went out there and tore it out. Mr.
Bhagwandass came to the City after the fact to say he wanted to have this
done and tried to pull a permit that was denied. He stated the Commission
discussed this matter at that time to put in the poles to block the access so
he could not drive over the curb. He declared the vehicles were of the
assumption for backyard mechanical work. He said this was the action
taken by the City at that time. He said if it was a barter deal, there is no
paper trail.
Deputy Mayor Bundy said they never discussed putting up poles in this
area. They discussed poles at property on County Road 427. He stated a
barter system is a legal payment and the contractor should have
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recollection of this. He said, regardless, the whole matter has been handled ~
a little outside of the way it should have been.
Commissioner Anderson said people can pay the contractor for a wider
driveway apron. However, it has to be done fo City standards and it is
recorded. He stated there is a way to do it the right way.
Mr. Baum said in interest to resolve this; they would ask-that the City put
in the pavement from the fence to the sidewalk.
Commissioner Maingot suggested the City should provide the curb cut and
Mr. Bhagwandass pay for the rest of the concrete.
Commissioner Holt said the most expensive part is the curb cut. He said it
should be the opposite, he pay for curb cut, and the City replace the apron.
Mr. Roper said the language is clear the property owner is responsible for
this expense.
Commissioner Anderson said it was important to establish if this happened
prior to adopting the driveway policy.
Mr. Roper responded in the affirmative.
Commissioner Anderson said then they cannot hold him to the Driveway
Policy since this happened prior to the Policy.
Mayor Sackett asked the City Attorney for his opinion.
Mr. Roper said his opinion was the same; under the methodology that has
been set"up through the Resolution passed in March 2006 that this vas the
appropriate way to handle this until it is amended. If he can meet all of the
criteria and is willing to pay for the costs ofthe adjacent~driveway access
and the Commission is willing to give this to him it is allowable under the
Resolution:
Deputy Mayor Bundy said they cannot make the Policy retroactive
without making it retroactive to every driveway cut on every side access
lot in the City.
Mr. Roper said he did not. know what section of the Code Mr. Miller was
referring to when the request was denied.
Deputy Mayor Bundy moved to allow the driveway access subject
to the Police Chief inspecting the area from a public safety
standpoint and it meets the design criteria. However, the City does
the curb cut and Mr. Bhagwandass' responsibility to pour the ~
apron from the sidewalk up to the fence line. Seconded by
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Commissioner Maingot and carried by a three/two roll call vote
with Mayor Sackett and Commissioner Holt voting nay.
E. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution No. 08-
1203, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the. 2008 Tiberon Cove Neighborhood Improvement Assessment Area,
establishes the assessment.roll and provides for the collection of the
assessment on the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1203 by title only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Resolution 08-1203; as
presented, Item 11 E. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
F. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution No. 08-
1204, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the 2008 Golden Grove Neighborhood Improvement Assessment
Area, establishes the assessment roll and provides for the collection of
the assessment on the property tax bills.
~ Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-12,04 by title only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Resolution 08-1204, as
presented, Item 11 F. Seconded by Commissioner Anderson and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
G. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution No. 08-
1205, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the 2008 Markham Hills Neighborhood Improvement Assessment
Area, establishes the assessment roll and provides for the collection of
the assessment on the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1205 by title only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Resolution 08-1205, as
presented, Item 11 G. Seconded. by Deputy 1Vlayor Bundy and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
H. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution. No. 08-
1206, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the 2008 Sleepy Hollow (1st Addition) Neighborhood Improvement
Assessment. Area, establishes the assessment roll and provides for the
collection of the assessment on the property tax bills.
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Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1206 by title only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to approve Resolution No. 08-
1206, as presented, Item 11 H. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy
and carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
I. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution No. 08-
1207, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the 2008 Barrington Neighborhood Improvement Assessment Area,
establishes the assessment roll and provides for the collection of the
assessment on the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1207 by title only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to approve Resolution 08-1207, as
presented, Item 11 I. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
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J. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission read by title only, and adopt Resolution No. 08-
1208, which confirms a Neighborhood Improvement Assessment for
the 2008 Lonb vood Groves Neighborhood Improvement Assessment -
Area, establishes the assessment roll and provides for the collection of ~--~ ,
the assessment on the property tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1208 by title .only.
Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Resolution 08-1208, as
presented, Item 11 J. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy and
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
K. Finance Division of the Financial Services Department recommends
the City Commission adopt Resolution No. 08-1209 certifying the
annual non-ad valorem assessment roll to the Seminole,County Tax
Collector for placement of non-ad valorem assessments on the 2008
tax bills.
Mr. Roper read Resolution No. 08-1209 by title only.
Commissioner moved to approve Resolution 08-1209, as
presented, Item 11 K. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Bundy.
Mr. Drago said he wanted to make sure there was no amendment to this
one relative to the other Resoltrtion.
Ms. Rogers said they brought that forward for the record. ~.1
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Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
12. CITY ATTORNEY'S' REPORT. Mr. Roper reported the City was served with
an eminent domain case by Florida Department of Transportation on August 26~'
that involves the SunTrust Bank State Road 4341ocation. He said he and Mr.
Sizemore will be reviewing all legal descriptions to make sure it is limited to just
that area. He reported the City received a settlement offer by 1VIr. Towers on the
Oakwood Project. I=Ie advised they cannot discuss this in the open as it is in
current litigation. He requested to receive direction from the Commission if
desiring to entertain the offer then~they should hold an Executive Session. He
requested the Commission call him regarding this matter and they will notice and
schedule the meeting.
13. CITY CLERK'S REPORT. No report.
14. ADJOURN. Mayor Sackett adjourned the meeting at 11:20 p.m.
Brian D. Sackett, Mayor
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Sarah M. Mirus, CMC, MBA
City Clerk
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