FMTF04-15-08BOARD OF TRUSTEES
Florida Municipal Trust Fund Retirement Plan and Trust
for the Firefighters and Police Officers
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES
Apri115, 2008
Present: Marc McLarnon, Chair
Matthew Jammes, Secretary
Shane Smith, Member
Jack Smythers, Member
H. Lee Dehner, Board Attorney
Paul Shamoun, Florida League of Cities
Linda F. Goff, Recording Secretary
Absent: Robert Redditt, Vice Chair
7:00 p.m.
1. Call to Order. Chair McLarnon called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m. and was
followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
2. Approval of Minutes January 15, 2008 Regular Meeting
Member Smythers moved to approve the minutes of January 15, 2008 as
presented. Seconded by Secretary Jammes and carried by a unanimous
voice vote with Vice Chair Redditt absent.
3. Appointment of 5th Trustee
Member Smythers moved to appoint Marc McLarnon as the 5th Trustee.
Seconded by Secretary Jammes and carried by a unanimous voice vote
with Vice Chair Redditt absent.
Mr. Dehner advised the Board should certify the election results of Firefighter
Shane Smith.
The Recording Secretary advised that Mr. Smith was the only nominee.
Chair McLarnon moved to accept the nomination by acclamation of
Firefighter Shane Smith. Seconded by Member Smythers and carried by a
unanimous voice vote with Vice Chair Redditt absent.
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4. Review of Agenda Packet Material ~`
A. Plan Account Statements
The Plan Account Statements for November and December 2007 were
reviewed.
B. Investment Performance Review
The Investment Performance Review ending December 31, 2007 was
reviewed.
Mr. Shamoun advised the statements for the March quarter end should be
done by the end of the week and the Performance Review will be available in
three to four weeks. He reported that for March they were basically almost
even. He said the conservative nature of the portfolio has really helped. He
stated the return for the Bond Fund was a 10.75 positive return for the end of
February. He said this would help mitigate the losses on the equities seen in
the last quarter.
5. Other Business
A. Review of Operating Rules and Procedures
Mr. Dehner said the revised draft document before the Board incorporates
items from Ordinance No. 04-1687. He stated the only other item that needs to
be addressed was with respect to election procedures. He asked the Recording
Secretary to provide documents reflecting the procedure that has been
followed for elections. He said he would incorporate this procedure in the
document and it will be ready for approval.
Member Smythers inquired if there were other Boards that would subscribe to
the same ordinances and procedures.
Mr. Dehner said the Rules and Procedures followed by other Boards are
generally the same, but they are also unique to each individual Board. He
stated there were some provisions in the Ordinance that were unique to this
Board. He advised the Ordinance provides for the Election of Officers to be
done every year. Also, there is a provision in the Ordinance with respect for
Special Meetings to have seventy-two (72) hours notice, which is a little more
notice than required by State Law. He advised that Rule 14 in this document,
Claims Procedures, was in place if the Board was required to sit in a quasi-
judicial capacity to determine entitlement to a Pension Benefit or a Disability
Benefit. He said the quarterly meetings were administrative functions of the
Fund. He stated they would legally have the responsibility at times to sit as a
quasi judicial body and there were certain legal requirements to comply with. --
One of these requirements is to provide procedural due-process to the
claimant. This simply means having the rules in writing and following them.
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Chair McLarnon inquired if any Plan Members were ready for retirement.
Secretary Jammes said there was one member from Police that left last year
and had reached the 10 years of service, but has 11 years before attaining the
age of 50. Another member is over age 50 with 9 years of service and he
plans to stay a few more years. He stated Detective Bruce has 11 years of
service.
Chair McLarnon inquired if this document would give these individuals the
format to follow when applying for their retirement or was it just the
guidelines of the Plan.
Mr. Definer stated these were the guidelines for the Plan.
Mr. Shamoun said the Florida League of Cities provided all of the forms to be
utilized for retirement or to obtain their money. He stated that by the time
someone in this Plan retires, their new software system will be up and
running. He explained how the system would work and that it would
recognize someone who has a termination date. They will then mail the
appropriate paperwork to that individual. He said the Board would receive a
packet with everything necessary to approve the start of the retirement
payment.
Mr. Definer said with disability he would ask that their forms be utilized. He
stated all they would need to do would be to submit the disability application
form with the attached physician statement and they would take care of the
remainder.
Mr. Shamoun said most of the Boards had a policy where they give the Chair
the authority to sign off on this so the retiree is not delayed in receiving their
payments. The Board would ratify the decision at their next meeting.
Secretary Jammes inquired if the Plan Member would have all of his plans
done before the day he leaves.
Mr. Shamoun advised they could not do a calculation prior to the last payroll.
He said they could do a calculation for the individual. However, at this time
there would be a fee for this since they have to go to the actuary. He stated
that part of the new system will do calculations.
Mr. Definer recommended that the Board pay for two calculations to be done
for Plan Members; one as an estimated calculation, and then the final
calculation.
Mr. Shamoun said they will receive an estimated statement each year.
Chair McLarnon said he wants to make it clear for the Board, and what they
are to do, but also for the Plan Members so they know what to expect.
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Mr. Dehner inquired who the Plan Member would contact locally in order to
receive the information from Mr. Shamoun.
Mr. Shamoun said he would like for the Plan Member to directly contact the
Plan Administrator without going through someone from the City.
6. Board Attorney Report
Mr. Dehner reminded the Board members that their Financial Disclosure Forms
should be filed prior to July 1St, and he recommended they should have proof of
filing. He said a new Trustee should file within thirty days of taking office. He
explained that a Trustee leaving the Board will need to file a Form 1 that will be
for the last calendar year and also a Form 1 and a Final Disclosure for the period
of time from January 1, 2008 to the date they step down.
Mr. Dehner gave a Legislative update. He said a Bill moving through the House
that could have an impact on the Plan was House Bill 171 and there is a
companion Senate Bill. Primarily if these pass, they would allow the Trustee
terms to be increased from two to four years. They would allow an increase of
investments in foreign securities up to 20% with the current maximum being
10%. They would allow making a direct transfer of money from the Pension Plan
to an insurance company which would enable a retiree with either a normal or -~
disability retirement benefit, to take advantage of the $3,000 Federal Tax
exclusion for health insurance or long term care insurance premiums. He advised
that currently the only retirees that can take advantage of this benefit are those
who take insurance through the City. Also, on the Federal side there is a proposal
for an amendment to the Pension Protection Act which would eliminate the
requirement of this benefit as a direct transfer from the Fund to an insurance
company. He stated Session was set to adjourn May 2nd and they will know by the
next meeting what has passed. He advised a Bill returned this year for the fourth
time where; if a Police Officer or Firefighter should sustain a catastrophic injury
in the line of duty, and as a result of a felonious act, they would receive the
minimum 80% disability benefit. He said they will follow up on these items and
report back to the Board at the next meeting. He added that on the $3,000
exclusion, there is a proposal in Washington to extend this to all public
employees.
7. Member Comments
Secretary Jammes said he has been receiving feedback from Officers that they
would like to see some issues taken care of that have been referenced at prior
meetings. He stated one of the issues was regarding the vesting language. He said
in one area it states the vesting is 5 years and in another area it states 10 years. He
stated if in the retirement it states 10 years, they could change that to vested where -~
it references the vesting period in the Summary Description Plan. He said if they
could make this change, if there was ever an amendment in the vesting period
again, they wouldn't have to change the language.
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Mr. Dehner said the requirement was to review the Summary Plan Description at
least every other year. He said he would review this matter and report back.
Mr. Shamoun inquired if there was a typographical error in the Summary
Description Plan.
Secretary Jammes responded in the negative. He said the City has recruited them
for the past 10 years with the vesting period being 5 years. He advised when one
of the Firefighters just left; he had an issue with the City as to when the vesting
period was. He stated they had this discussion previously with Ms. Rogers who
made reference to these being housekeeping issues.
Mr. Shamoun inquired if the Ordinance itself said 10 years.
Secretary Jammes said he was not sure how it was listed in the Ordinance. He
stated they needed to make a motion to change it to 5 years and the City has
agreed to the fact it was suppose to be 5 years.
Mr. Dehner advised it would take another Ordinance to amend the number of
years.
Secretary Jammes said they had also discussed the difference between DROP
versus the PLOP. He stated he sent this information out to all of the Plan
Members of the Police Department. He referred to information provided by Mr.
Dehner and said the members would also like to see language on the PLOP.
Mr. Definer advised the PLOP was a Partial Lump Sum Option. He said for the
past 10 years most Plans have. had a DROP provision and now they are interested
in a PLOP provision being added. He explained they were amending some Plans
to elect taking a Partial Lump Sum in increments between 5% and 20% and this
can be overlaid on any of the optional forms. Then the annuity is calculated over
the remaining percentage.
Chair McLarnon said the DROP was cost neutral to the City and inquired if it was
the same for the PLOP.
Mr. Definer advised it was an actuarial equivalent basis, so additional funding was
required.
Mr. Shamoun advised the PLOP also was cost neutral.
Chair McLarnon inquired about the housekeeping issues. He asked if this was a
housekeeping measure that can just be changed, or would it have to be presented
to the Board for approval.
Secretary Jammes said he understood that Mr. Definer would draft the language
and the Board would have to approve it.
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Mr. Definer explained that the Ordinance would not become a part of the Plan
until it was adopted by the City Commission. He said he would not describe this
matter as a housekeeping item. He advised the Board will approve whether to
make the recommendation to the Commission.
Mr. Shamoun said he would assume the actuary was not assuming 5 year vesting
when he has done the valuations. He stated housekeeping was not the right term,
because there will be a cost associated with moving vesting from 10 years to 5
years in the valuation.
Mr. Definer explained the process would be to have the actuary determine cost,
and provide a letter of impact or no impact to file with the Ordinance. The Board
would then determine whether to make a recommendation for adoption to the
City.
Secretary Jammes said there have been approximately twenty Police Officers
hired being told by Personnel that they are vested at 5 years. He stated this has
been one of the major issues at the Police and Fire Departments, in that the Plan
states 10 years and they are recruited at being vested at 5 years.
Mr. Definer said the Summary Plan Description does say 5 year vesting. He
explained the normal retirement date and being vested are two different things. -~
He said the normal retirement date is age 50 with 10 years of service. He stated
this was a common misconception at times. Assuming there was an Ordinance
amended for 5 years vesting; this does not mean the retirement date is going to
change. People think that if they have vesting, that does not mean the retirement
date is going to change. He explained the only significance of the number of years
required to vest was how many years you have to work before you can terminate
and be eligible to draw a benefit in the future.
Secretary Jammes asked if he had 9 years of service and left at age 40, when
would he claim his retirement.
Mr. Definer inquired if they compute years of service.
Mr. Shamoun said that was the issue. He stated there was no normal or early
retirement that someone with 6 years can comply under the Ordinance.
Mr. Definer said if they compute years of service, then it is possible. If it is actual
years of service, then this is a problem.
Mr. Shamoun said he was fairly sure it was actual years of participation in the
Plan. He stated he recalled approximately six months ago having drafted an
Ordinance to make that change. He said the Ordinance would reign over any --
differences between the Summary Plan Description and the Ordinance.
Secretary Jammes said they need language in place so the Plan Members know
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when they start receiving benefits.
Mr. Shamoun said that technically, if someone comes to them with 9 years of
service, they are going to return their money. He advised under what they are
authorized to do as the Administrator, they are not vested under the legal
document.
Chair McLarnon said they need to break out exactly what the Ordinance and the
Summary Plan Description state for the next meeting so they can clearly identify
where these two documents differ. The next step would be to present something to
the Commission.
Mr. Delmer said he would review the documents to determine if there are
provisions for 5 year vesting. He stated there were different ways to handle this
with the retirement at age 50 and 10 years of service. He said one way was to
compute the years.
Chair McLarnon inquired if this would need to go to the actuary to determine the
cost to the City.
Mr. Delmer responded in the affirmative. He advised the Ordinance would need to
be adopted by the Commission and then submitted to the State as a matter of
record.
Secretary Jammes inquired if there should be a motion made for Mr. Delmer to
draft language for a PLOP Benefit.
Mr. Delmer recommended they do all changes at one time. He said the materials
he sent explain it well.
Secretary Jammes inquired if a Plan Member decides to go into the PLOP and if
they continue to accrue percentages for the years they work.
Mr. Shamoun explained the PLOP was a choice upon retirement. You either take
a 10 year certain payment, or you elect to take some of it in cash and the
remainder in a 10 year certain payment. He said it was not an entry.
Mr. Delmer said, unlike the DROP, where you elect to go into the DROP and
continue to work; the PLOP is not elected until you are ready to retire. He stated
another decision to be made is whether they want to offer a combination of the
DROP and the PLOP.
Secretary Jammes said another question being asked by the Officers was whether
the salary included the special assignment pay and overtime pay.
Mr. Delmer said he would have to look at the definition of the Plan and the
Valuation Report.
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Member Smith said the Fire Department has some concerns in that the Paramedic
incentive was not added in with the retirement.
Mr. Dehner said they needed to verify how it is defined in the Ordinances and
look at the Valuation Report to see what is being valuated.
Mr. Shamoun read the salary definition as defined in the Adoption Agreement for
both Police and Fire.
Mr. Dehner reiterated they need to see what is being valued. The next step is to
determine if the amount being reported matches. He said he would check to see
that the valuation was the same as the Ordinance.
Mr. Shamoun suggested the Chair write a letter to the City to ask what was
included in the salary being reported to the Plan Administrator. He said the
Actuary uses the same data as reported in the Annual Report. The Actuary would
also use the language from the signed Adoption Agreement.
Chair McLarnon suggested Secretary Jammes follow through with the City on
this and report back to the Board. He said Secretary Jammes was a Police Officer
within the City receiving special assignment and overtime. He could look at his
numbers against what was being reported and track this.
Mr. Shamoun said they basically want to know, when the calculation is done for
their employee contribution, what amount of gross salary is being used.
Secretary Jammes said they had received language on the military buyback that
Mr. Dehner had previously provided and agreed they should do everything at one
time. He asked the Board to read over this information. He stated he would email
the documents to Mr. Shamoun for him to send out to the Trustees. He said Plan
Members have asked that these items be considered and adopted. He would like to
vote on these at the next meeting and send the recommendation to the
Commission.
8. Public Participation. None.
9. Adjournment. Chair McLarnon adjourned the meeting a
ATTEST:
Linda F. Goff, Recordi ecretary
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