CCMtg06-23-03WSMinLONGWOOD CITY COMMISSION
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
MINUTES
WORK SESSION
JUNE 23, 2003
1:00 P. M.
Presum Mayor Dan Antlerson
Deputy Flaynr Steve Miller
Commissioner Butch enndy
Commissioner John C. Maingot
Com er Paul Lovestrand
Rirhartl S. Taylor, Jr.. City Attorney
John J. Drago, City Administrator
Sarah M. Meares, City Clerk
John Brock, Direetor of Community Services
Jay Sargent, Division Mmlger of Planning
Chris Lathrop, Uix Nance
Absem: Deputy Mnyor Steve Miller lExcused)
i. CALL TOORDER. Mayor Anderson called the Work Session to order el
09 pm.
2. RF,VIEW HISTORIC DISTRICT CODF, BOOK
Com er Maingol oved to uspend the toles
Seconded by Commissioner 6undy and carried by a
Mrs. i..athrop asked the Commission if they Ovate in agreement with [he language
in the code that prohibits drivrtlvu s within the Historic Uislria_ She stated this
ue has come up in tho pest and said it is diffwit to have a sire plan for that type
of use within the Diarict.
Mr. Sargent said there was a rile plan [be Planning Division was reviewing and
this site plan did become a problem beoause there was more asphalt on the rile
than they had for their huiiding 1{e said it became ao issue bawuse ofell the
asphalt and soon they backed oln of the deal.
Con er LOVestrand inquired ifthe city allowed mulch on any part ofa
lmivsion
driveway.
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Mr. Sargent gave an example of a potential drive-ihm pharmacy on the wmer of
West Warren Avenue and Milwee Street. lie said [he lot was revered with almost
60% ofasphalt and they did not have [he stacking distance because the lots were
not Tong enough
Com er LOVestrartd inquired ifthere isa port within the Historic
Dist swhere only one block wide such as Florida Ave e. He asked
wlw[har or vet it'ba conducive for a pull right through Gom one block to the
other.
Mr Drago responded and stated that under the Master Plan s their
endati n that Florida Ave ue bec n alley way and that bec
[he~ drivewayo He added saying the Romal patt oflessup is for [he business and
added saying they were thinking more for Magnolia Avenue xlso.
Mrs Lathrop said stacking interfere with the parking and [his, a
conFliu- She stated people cannot beck om ofthe pazkivg spaces if tltuecse es
parked carve ring in the drive-[hru.
Mayor Anders suggested no say to individnal that you of hav
drive-thru, but tell rho individual [hat aadtive-[hru eeds [he knowing items in
order ro Nno n-fie said he would rather deal wither that way rx[her than tell
individual outright that they ca of hav a drive-thrts tie said one of then
Com 's goalsw oallow people to mmbine lots end to develop those
wo lo's move use, and in [hat case, the individual may be able to do the drivo-
thm right iPthey wanted to. He saiA it wed hie vvtlarstavding wish the vew Lavd
Development Code, that the city was not going to tell people what they could and
could not do, but to tell them how [hay can do things end chart they can make
rhea deoieion
Mr. Sagan said he egreN with Mayor Anderson and described the proc ss for
which the ndividual with drive-thm nt through in order to be approved. He
stated when they were finished, they didn't have al I the inkrmation that was
reques[W and slated [his was n mobile home tailor with a lot ofasphalt around it
end this building was krone use only.
Commissioner Rundy said [Ire problem with allowing [his type of business is it
expevds av extreme amount ofengineering t6nde, rime end effort [ryivg to gG this
bus omplianee He said ev nifthes wmplixnca, the city
ould end up witha elhet~Wt everyone would like to see within the
Hist is District. ttessaid it would have beev a tiny, single-use property and
suggested to prohibit it.
Mayor Anderson reiterated his concerns xs previously stated.
Mr. DraSO said it would not be hard for them to amass a couple of lots together
and work fiom both sides of the road He said aconcern the Commission nceds
to have is there is always this expectation that the Dis[riu would ba a little more
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ringent in the Rules and Regulations. He said [hare are threo lots across from
Dix Nans that someone has recently purchased end those lots are big enough ro
put adrive-thru there.
Commissionw Bundy said anoNer concern of his was Ne trallie that would be
generated. Ne said the city istryingto encomega people to comeinto the Distract
and to be pedestrian liiendly.
Mayor Anders said another way of addressing the eof the
to be the amount oCtrafttc [Fat a panicular use generates and limit it to
umber oftrips per day. He said he thinks people had in mind the uses within
the Historic District would be profeuional, ofTice, and residentieL He said the
District would have storcc but a Wal-Men could not be placed on one ofthe
Dial propen es because it could not sustain the nips. He said that is one
way of controllin6 the uses and steering things that were put into the overall Land
Development Cade. He said that is the approach you can take towards f riding a
sonable number, and the merchants who are trying to attract traffic do not tun
into a problem. and there is abalance-
Com er BUndy stated Ne only problem with [Fat issue is ifthe Code states
a busm an 6enerete so many trips and the bus to bei
essful Nan anticipated he quesvoned how is Ithesohy goingtw enforoe it and
who e going to monitor it-
Mayor Anderson stated that is something you do when you plan the site.
Commissioner Bundy reiterated his concerns as previously stated.
Mayor Anderson stated Nis issue could be worked on from another angle and
suggested Mding e bwtar way tc address this issue end then to bring it forward.
Mrs. Lathrop said she was going to suggest this panicular item be applied to mix-
Mayor Mderson stated this item needs some more work and a OiRerent approacF
taken. He suggested bringing this issue back up the next time Ne Commission
reviews the Code.
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Mrs. Lathrop •=.i? there was one modincation recommended on Nis page. She
saidunderthe-rnd line"Mr. rrlgrirynmefnorogefora Arrilrfirg rn rrgd
rgrr irl~ -.. the aauit should read,'Such ,ngrrage vho!(he n~rc9ened
grr ore.r.:~~ r hrrging sign."She sadthe next l'ne gets
maned out, -.Rr~...,.-.- e~~~feNergnj'.=eesrerreYngAresl~ng~' She said it was
nBgeated to read.'Windoi~riRnage is llrrrlredmlvrnrr Ja~vrnriorr nrrdmeanr j
Ymeru."
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She said then a"A for ss by nvo pmnllel sn with Ure exeepno
ojPorlda-may]eve two ground ngns-l6 squorefeeteach.' Slie gave the
Longwood HOtel as ample saying this' ceptio within the Dist
She said since tl~e hoteles located onebigl rand xt isa big building, they could
have a sign on Church Avenue and a sign on Warren Avenue and it could
basically have two Bound signs
Mayor Anderson inquired about the deli and said when [he deli has their name in
the window that rs in the door and asked what that would be wnsidered.
Mrs. Lathrop said that would be in a separa under store fronts. ghe said
on Pege 3] it should read, "%he u~irrdnw sip sa/ me/d oover no more Than 2i°/n
and said the "236%- is and should be c ssed out. She suggestel to add
..shah be s~~bdrredoolors' and that the sentence should rend, `!he w!r/ w sign
shmddaover normwe that 25%andshgll ba subdred co/ors." She said this was
added because of [he recent piuures taken by Mr Sunner and given f r the
rewrd.
Mayor Anderson said ho could see the deli having their name done at the top of
the glas and including their hours of opera and it would be tasteful. He said
the later by Mr. Sunner ie addressing ell the' extra items the[ are planed in a
window. He said ifthey chose w do a hanging sign and wanted to have their
name at the lop or the bottom of the Blase then he could see that working.
Mrs. Lathrop said if you take a look at Page 38 there is an it lumation in the top
left comer end the way the Coda is written a business is allowed m hevn a bee
Landing ground sign with a mawmum arcs of l6 square P S which is a four by
four (4 x 4) ground sign. She said in addi~ioq a business is al lowed to have a
projecting sign as illus rated witha area of six (~squaref t. She said
they are trying to keep with the eharaua of the Distnu and encourage positive
looking signage and prohibh signage that is scattered ell over.
Pace 31
Mr_ Drego inquired if there is somahing in the sign Code that prohibits someone
bom putting upasquare pink aign He said hie concern is that an individual looks
at the pier andce sup withadifforent design that onflicting with what
they aretrying to xch eve. He suggested using brerad terms likz CraAemen style,
Victorian style, and some additional periods which would allow business owners
nough room to operate in. lie said ha did not sae where neon signs wuo
prohibited.
Mrs Lathrop reitaatod the recommendation under Store Fronts to read. "Ihr
widow slpr should cover na more rlwr d3Yo mMShul[ be subdued coitus.'
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It was the unsensus of the City Commission to add, "Nean,ngrts are limlrad rn
the bnshtzae,v rrnrne mtdpradud sold Neon uurhning artdjlashirgslgrts era
yroinMted Neon signs are p~ohlbirad ht the miz-arse maa."
Itw sthec softhe City Commission to add under Civic [belanguage that
s added in xed us relati to lot ss by two parallel meets to have two
ground signs an'd to prohibit them from having neon signs.
Pace q2
Mrs. Lathrop said on Page 42 describe the color aPProach and she said the city
has all ofthese true colors on f le.
Pa es
Mrs. Lathrop said these pages display all ofthe rglors and said the colors are very
dlfferem 6om what the color copies show.
Paee 42
[t was the consensus of the City Commission m take the word only out on the last
nnaerme Aerem color on,at reeds, °y~n ynt~aam tr.~e ma aeemtt
rotor oe rhefronr door, using rhealnm enlw an the shrrners. "
It was the consensus ofthe Ciry Commission to take the woad buyer out ofilia
wnd to last under the Au nt Color end be replaced with the word
r. The ould read, "%he r er m Y e/act to rrca rhatr selected nom
wlor wt theme nr doorwmtd/m shtoters. ° ~
It wes the consensus of the City Commission to change the third sentence under
Accenr Colors to mad, "The awevt color may De used an rhejrmtt door, shtnters
mW garage field color may be usedmryx~here. the mm color is hmired ra the
tom. the siruners rheJronr door: mn(rhe garage door.
Cam er LOV and suegesced throwing the wholes color and
to give pseople the freedomto pain wbaro colorthey would liken He stated
there are so many reslriotions and wanted to goon record end Hate that he ie
against the whole color selection.
Itw slheu sof the Gty Comm to cltangethe second to Iasi sentence
under Color Schemes end read, "The City'ojLarrgworxt has mte Dolor mmplesox
jle.'
Itw sthec softhe City Com Dodd under Vim an Elev
seY-a"A troncaenrlbuhng sr mt ba yninred the same color ¢r lr lsondnjjm
rlm owner wanrs ra change the color, thn~ the owner mresr revtatt~ the Color
Selenlort artd se[ecv n ca[or. "
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[[w srheo sof the City COm oadd under Vao an F.lev na to
saY-a Brt]ldlr~,gr on n sinyl.~.sire slio[I hm~e rhetsvne color rsmbL orlm~s ~ ano
It was rheooosensus of the City Commission to delete the Iaat sentence under
Victorian Elevations and to be replaced with, "Go/ot~ se/ee/lnn.royyly /o rio~r
mibntingso- arty-AI/mlorslr ivlbv/ing.srcucnrev shall be
aPPrm~r~f by the His oric Presenatlar Hrxvd"
Paee 4848
There were no comments on Page 48.
Paee 49
Mayor Anderson noted that architeemral shingles bad been removed.
Mrs. Lathrop eugges~ed revising the language stating,-R Jae.,..., maybe
siA~er orVickedfinm the colat~rmige or m/ors/ha/nrmclr th ,.
Paees 50-55
There were no comments on Pages SOSS.
Pgge 5_6
'fhue wem no comments on Page 56.
A member ofthe audience posed a question on what the defni[ion is of outside
orage smcenis not deFlned in (he Code book. This question is in ref taros
buei within she fiiseoric District hat is performing temporary outside storage.
Members ofthe COm and audience hadadetailed co n. In
oclus gthe Com will ee wthe land rises for the Historic 6islrietat
~I e sex ~'egWar Ciey ('um~nission meeting.
ADJOURN. Mayor Anderson adjourned the meeting at 9:I1 p.m
!: aD~. i~
Daniel, Mayor
ATTGtST
Sarah M. Mijares,Firy CI :rK
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