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CCMtg07-30-01WSMinLONGWOOD CITY COMMISSION Longwood City Commission Chamber 175 West Warren Avenue Longwood, Florida Minutes —k Session July 30, 2001 Present Mayor P,ul Loveslrand Deputy Mayor John C. Msingot Commissioner Den Anderson Cortlmissloner Butch Bundy John J. Drag,, City AdTbCttalor Geraldine D_ Zambrl, City Clerk Richard 5. Taylor, Jr.. City Attorney Berl in D. Boswo h Deputy City Clerk Jahn Brock. Director, Communhy Services Department Jay Sargent, Manager, Planning Dlv_ Community Services Dept, Absent Commissioner Steve Miler (ex usetl) ALSO PRESENT. M, Gail Easley C. David Coffee, E, 1. CALL TO ORDER. The Mayor called a work session to order at 1.00 p nL Deputy Mayor Mafngot moved to suspend the rules. Seconded by Commissioner Bundy and approved by voice vote. 2. REVIEW OF THE REVISED DRAFT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (Gail Easley, The Gail Easley Company) Mayor L—T-d announced it might be. hatter to have the public speak at the end of each Item discussed as opposed to either at the beginning or the end. Members he documents titled To Be Plaood in City Cods rather Then LDC (5 pages) would be oved out,f the LDC document and placed in the City Cod,- Those items will be dis —d et another Ilme- They will come before the Gommisslon b Ordinance format to be inserted Into the City Code. In the back of the document there are several Ap—dices that were not Intended for adoptionthey are provided for Information. Articles tM1rough X Indicate iM1e changes the! resulted from the preJ,us Commission Work Sessions that were held. Commissioner Antlerson stated, as he Ind through the Rewaed Oran of the LDC, the I Dreg had notations sea this, see that to be determined. It was a frealed document this document looked as thought the Commission was getting ci o- A lot of the language --he remembered Members going backantl-forth presenting their ewpooR antl as a result arriving at subsequent Instructions to have changes matle - had been taken care of really well. Commissioner Antlerson. referencing the front of the document, Temporary Uses, No. 11. theword-foregdng was msapelled. 1'he definitions on Home Occupation, looked realty gootl- ARTICLE I - GENERAL PROVISIONS Para e 1-2, Adicle 1.3.1 Mayor Lovestrand asked If major rehabilitation was tlefinetl somewhere Io the document. Ms- Easley replied 1- b111—d- (50%) or morewould be ad — prior to the comma after the word rehabilitation. Commissioner Antlerson notedon page I-], the Diameter at Breast Height abbreviation should be DBH antl not DHB. R, Dwelling Unli Zem Lot I -- A brief discussion --d with this respect to this paragraph relative to fencing and other Issues. as the City Atlministretor hatl recommended deleting IPt,, Meyor Lovestood asked if theca was a Commission consensus to delete the paragraph. As there was a consensus. Ms. Easley stated she woultl remove from the document any references to zero lot Ilnes- Meyor Lovealr11d opened the floorfor any member of the public present that ot,hlo to ask questions about Ae11do I. There being none. the Commission revlewetlt Article ll. ARTICLE II - LAND USE DISTRICTS AND OVERLAY DISTRICTS Mayer Lovestrand requestod antl IM1e City Administrator concurred, theta Land Use Map of each lantl use distriU be an attachment to the Ordlnance. Ms. Easley staled she would Insen 1 smaller version of the map for each District in the document. Mr. Jeff Perlman spoke b: Eace II-4. 2.3-0- Teble of Allowable Uses He asked why It was st-d'potentially allowable, subfeot I. slanderds' Ms. Easley answered Ihat IhLs wes a use that can be a-btl—o here. but you ere not -ITIL1,11Y, guaran-d that you could get the use. You would have to comply with the Standards to place a builtllog tot that use on a parcel Ms. Easley ativised that it would not - ve hurt if the word"potentially'0, bead... the stantlards and regulations apply whether one says potentially oenpt. Com er Andersongueste - d, and the Commission coucuned. ibat'A' be -Allowable" antl "S" (Supplemental) that it is "Potentially Allowable' JoAnne Rebello believed the Commission had decided that Group Homes —Id not be allowed In Downtown or Low Density Residential. Mayor Lovestrand stated I[ was not group Homes Ihei were not allowed It wns Community Residential. MrMika Hattaway asked if a piece of property (Farmer's Addition to Longwood) was Downtown or still C-3 zoning. He was told that there was no longee a C-3 category, it thew Downtown. It was zoned Commercial and he wished to develop it sometime in future- Now. It will be changed to )owntown. On page II-5 and 116, there were more �Q Discussion eyelyed around being grand Wit, etl in for current uses, vacant land would of be grand fathered i i If the Commission were to consider each antl every instance, then the City —Id not move forward wllh its proposed LDC. Mr. Hattaway said Ihare I' h a thing as equal protection_ that if the government lakes from one, antl It has the right to do so. but only with just compensate to the landowner. He also referenced the Hants AU. Deputy Mayo- Maingot pointed out that Mr. Hattaway was speaking hypothetically, as t ditl not have, right now, a tlefinetl use. Mr. Flatteway believed the City Code, untler General Commercial. listed what he could 11, M1is propery for. If proposed changes diminished those uses, that would diminish the vetue of the properly. Ha referenced several Uses lAl- in I1e table (pages II-s antl II-6). e.g.. funeral homes, hospitalshotels antl motel,. large scale discount stores. and h which were allowed In General Commerelal which he believed should also be listed nuDcwnlown antl Industrial. Mayor Lov--d made the motion to add funeral homes tc Industrial and Com er Bundy st he had a problem with funeral homes In Downtown If it cludadsa maIf there was a category fortune-aI homes and another category for crenratorles, thenhe had no problem with ailpwing funeral homes in the Downtown diao-rct. Mayor 1-tt—lrantl suggestetl allowing placement of funeral homes, without cremetorles, Commissioner Antle-son wondered if possible, could same of these Uses be allowed in Downtown, as Supplemanlal, with the SupGlemental extruding the Historic oisihct. Commissioner Bundy suggested lust exciudlng them In the Overlay district. Ms. Easley rem —d the Downtown district was being created to a—pllah a purpose, as mat It nave civic uses. s and it had mixed uses. thls he plare the Clty—ld have Its hlgherr densities S The Clty was a—tmg a unique character for the area. Ms. Easley underetood the issues at point were crematories and tfaffic gene2tlon. If me Commission allows i1, she would .fife Sfendartls, which would adds— those Iwo issues in particular for the Commission to review prior to the adoption phase. The Commission ag—d that Light repair (indoor) should be adtled es a Use in the Oowntown distrlcL Commissioner Bundy believed the Commission had eliminated Junkyards entirely. Commission concurred N, remove Junkyards from the Land Use districts antl Overiey tllslrict table (page II-5). ARTICLE III - DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS Commissioner Antlerson asked for an explanation of me Lol Area Stantlards cM1aN. Ms. Easley explal-d if illustrated how one woultl calculate an average lot size In ortlef to apply the Standards on the previous three pages (pages 111 3, 4, and 5)_ Eurther, w11F the flexible Standards, the Commission was eliminating the neetl for someone to go through two procedures to build one's house. The phrase - surrounding neighborhood was too vague', she will pfovide abetter tlehnilion. Page III-9 Commissioner Antlerson spoke to the issue of setbacks. The setbacks were 9ootl for the Downtown tlist(ct: antl, looking at the diagram on page III-10 was a pehoc! example ofwhat shoud be In the Downtown tl Id hi and when one leh the Downtown. a slight ,sc ,,ope bufferthe Corridors in Corridors woultl. he believed, make things look more attractive and yet give people flexibility. CDmmissio—Bundy differed with mat vlewpoinL The previous widening of SR 434 rendered those lots along the SR 434 Corrltloe shallower. SM1ould the proposed fe widening of SR 4341—place. then the Blato would only b. buying the parking lot antl not the building: the building would be (antlered useless, as a certain number of parking spaoes ware required fora ep,,Ifi, use. Mayor Lovestra ,d spoke 10 giving m re flexibility and more freedom m the Corridors ss one went -her from the SR 434 antl CR 427 intersection. Ms. Easley summarized the discussion to mean; o,t.,d, the Downtown district one could have a larger minknum and maximum setback six.. Deputy Mayor Maingot reminded that the Commission was trying to plan how they would ke to see the City look and exp d H rred with Iry g to accommodate as much flexibility as possible- While each Commissioner has dlhedng viewpoint, he urgetl coming together and plan what was bast for the people of the City. 1910[.10 L3S1G Deputy Mayor Maingot said Ne demamatlon needed it, be determined for where the Downtown dialrict stopped and the Corridor dlstlets began. Mayor Lovestrand asked for public input. Mr. HattawIII talked to the,on,ept the Commission was trying to accomplfsh_ He gue sad there was a conflict between what property owners and developers would like 11, well as what the public would Ilk, to see. With the widening of SR 1 34 his bui tl ng only sets about 25 feet from the curb edge. If th, re -widening of SR 434 were to Mayor Lovestrand asked the City Ndminishator if he had anything to say on this Mr. Drag, did not believe Wth Mr_ Haltawey's concept Nat II would cost mare to take tM1e building away than if the building were left standing under eminent domain. From experienre it was cheaper to buy the building than t, have to purchase business so -damages and leaving the building sitting Nare_ If the City Commission wanted If middle ground relative to the setback distances, now was the time t, do IL Ms. Easley asked if the Commission wanted her to provide an altamaEve 1, that table and provide some sketches or photographs to a,company the alternatNe prior to the adoption. Mayor L,vestrand's problem was Thal when the Commission Vlas l,o hard to plan, the frepreneur was going to find a better place to build it where he can and draw customers away from Longwood. That was why there needed to be flaxlblllty. Mr. Tayl,r pointed out that should SR— be re -widened, it Id be the State or County who would pay', the money would not come from the Clty's coffers. The commission recessed at 8-.52 pm. and reconvened at 9,10 p m. Colors Ms. Easley announced these were the It sections for the Corflder dshicts'. the Historic Dl,trlct will develop its color palette Mayor L,vestrand asked if this Dolor palette would rule out any colors that now exist in the Corridor d,I1, s- Mayor Lovestrand asked who chose Nis wlor palette. Mr. Drag, replied Nat it was he and Berlin 13—i-th, Deputy Clty Clerk_ Mr. Taylor pointed out the vafance system could get the Clty Into some legal problems— ompany uses bright colors and another firm could not, then there could be some Regal problems. Mayor Lovestrand asked why the colors were all muted. Ms_Easley—,11 at was whet the Commission chose_ M nt to be'gi neighbors" and have found, over It— that lhey do not l,sesbusiness w Gommissl0ner Nnderson iked most of the cd— and wanted to know if they could be used on a bulla'ing and then use Iheir own accent colors, eg, MCDonams coultl paint its bulltling—it of those coleys Intl could paint their arches the bright bold. Mayor Lovestrand was of the opinion to delete the paragraph and let people get their on colors. He did not have a problem with any If the colors in the palette Intl he did nolhave a problem with McDonald and Checkers colors either. Ms. Easley said she would propose some language - that the Commission could use or not - that would allow the use of a corporate logo or brand In their corporate colors on Ihelr sign_ Pale III-1 I No. 4. Pic e II -I t Ne. 5. Ms Easley explained that the notion of Faving wi d—along the C—ldors or within the Downtown districts was to avoid the expanse of blank walls that were consitlered unfriendly- they ate not welcoming, they ate not inviting -even If it was an office on the Inside versus a retail use. Windows break up the canyon effect going down the street. PP e III-13 No. t Coin er Bundy talked about the -et-type look e.g.. retro-diner type feel Having th— Id four- foot chrome bands going Irountl the bullping, loll of black Intl Gear glass block, and windows. The overall effect isavery mirrored -type look. very rellec6ve ack. Mayor Lovestrand asked if the word `expansive reflective glace or reflective finishes' could be interjected to show that the whole building should not ba reflective. Ms. Easley said she coultl It, and come up with language that would make it clear that this could be used as accent or trim. Ma. Easley was directed to delete the text that prohlblted backlit awnings. Ms. Easley was requested to delete text that prohlblted shinny Intl reflective awnings_ Pia e Ili-26 E. Mayor Lovestrand believed the City should re - a fee if it were to maintain entrances. Mr. Taylor thought adding in the words assessment disfricrs, then the Clty woultl maintain it at the homeowners' expense. Mr_ Drago Informed if the Cny created an assessment district for a subdivision then I could be put 11 the lax rolls. Commissioner Bundy beilevetl the language be stronger and if the City does take It over than it would be az an assessment dlsthct. Al-, like language that It, the event the City requites dedication or asks !or that, that it be It up as an assessment dletrteL Mayor Lovestrand said he agreed with Commissioner Bundy'I suggestion_ Ms. Easley will gel with the City Attorney to devefop the necessary antl proper language. l e 11i34 Ms. Easley will change the text based upon the earlier discussion this evening. Commissloner Cuntly would prefer placing In lha text reference to the new vinyl fencing, s tM1e landscape buffer was Installed to abate noise. He was opposed to only allowing wootl end block fences The now vinyl fence was being Installed arountl the water plant on Rangellne Road_ Discussion continued to the next item, storm water pontls having a afoot level butter. 4 feet from one s neighbor. Mr. Drag, noted that in relation to storm water ponds, everything was relative to the slope Ilne. Mayor Lovestrand stated If the ground waI outd like to have a 4-foal buffer antl, if it is a steep slope maybe more_ Deputy May,Maingot knew 4-feel was not going to work because a mower could not turn in Ms_ Easley —I she —ld not fintl a Stale It Corn er Anderson thought that if a procedure could be ad Id in thI text where the Ilsl co'iold be modltied in the future to be kept up Iodate. with the City Administrator bringing it before the COmmi66ion es a Consent Agentla- There should be langua91 rcetl in the text stating how things on the III could be removed and others atldetl, without going through the ordinance process. Deputy Mayor Ma1190t stated the best looking of all Holly was the Savannah Holly. It is very belfin, and which Ls very goad for this I,— antl sh-ld be atldetl to the llsl. Ms. Easley will add the Savannah Holly to the list. Commissioner Bundy believed it would ba better to just have a Ilsl of prohibitive species with some machanlsm for easy modification. If it was not specifically prohlbitive, then it mould be allowed. Deputy Mayor Maingot said there were two oaks on the It e Live Oak and a Leurel Oak. He previously mentionetl the new type of oak tree being used m Orange County Ms Easley was directed to go with Ue prohibitive tisL which could be referenced, but be outside the Ordinance. _3 A. Impervious Surface Iman believed the Impervious solace requlremonts ware onerous Discussion ensued wlih respect to garegea and how the four parking spaces should be detalmined. No carports are allowed in new subtliylsions: they are required to have a garage. Garage conversions are not to be allowed. Consensus developed that the IanguaBe shoultl state 4 parking Eaaellti2' 5. Mr. Perlman raised the question of block lengths - Ms. Easley saitl there was no specific punning reason diet it should be 300, Consensus was to have No. 3 tleleted. image �,111-2214. Mr. Perlman raised the Issue if the finished grade of all lots. Mr. Hattaway ph- In the discussion explaining the County s standard reguialions with respect to the finished grade of lots. Ea eg " 3.N. Mr. Hattaway ask,d if Ms. Easley had defined --ruing neighborhoods. this book, but that she would provitle a definition. Mr. Hattaway pointed out that when one bought land with Investment expectations. He He presented an example - thal if his neighbor put in 120 foot lots: he bought land with the expectation of purling in 80 fool loi, but with these changes he would now have to put in 1201ots and he 1 J not think Ihai was right. Mr. Taylor inlerfectetl Thal it was legally enforceable. One 1—not have a regal right to certain zoning because one bought something —d far 80 foot or whatever. However, as long you own it you are guaranieetl to use that. MI. Drago -d that under ihis concepl, if you owned BO foot that was buildable you are wed to build on that 80-foot lot as long as you meet the setback requirements. That was what this tuie said and what the cunent rule says. Commissioner Buntly said to Mr. Hattaway, if you bought i piece of property antl you ready nave it platted, then it was his underalantling that it did not matter what iM1e neighborhood does, your lots were already platted antl you are guareIt— the right to build on those 80-fool lots- For example, if you bought 50 acres of land antl do not plat it, you would not be able to demonstrate Ihai you Intended to build 00-foot lots. If you hold on to It for 10 years without platting It how tloes the City know you iIt-d1d on Ms- Easley concurred with Mr. Hattaway it was difficult to discuss this issue wilh- iha definition of "surrounding neighborhoods'