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Present. Mayor ¢ili w
Deputy Mayor Miles
o (left at 8.45 p.m.)
a rgent
a (left a 5 p.m.)
msheltones ity A for
raldine D.mZambri, CitymClerkra
ichartl 5 Taylor, S City Attorney
John Beock, Uir. of C ity services
Carl Gosline, City Planner
endaal, Planning Aide
AmynGOOdblatt, Codes 2nforceme nt Attorney
Call t Order. Mayor Wrn.,ton called a work sessron to order
at ]. 02 p. m~
/` oslin briefed the c by t
my C ith respectct otheaproposedhe
StyCR velopmentrAgencywfor r vitalization of U
ThemR solution oY rv ity passed by a -
Chairman M McLainov ing i
and C alloy is elide v ing i opposition.
os lineiw illsg copydo atheareport antltdo a dry of
e findings forethe c Publicshearings will
beeheld in the later partmof Ju , crud lwdates will be provided.
2. Contrnue Revrew of Land Development Code.
24-vI Sign Regulations and 24-89. Codes Enforcement Board.
Mr. Gosline s suggesting a eight of IS feet
for permanentao signs, ent ofmsigns, especially
emporary, w taffei ecquestioned whether t
ishea e by w signs m o
ompliance.w expla inetla CM1etc cotlelhad a ortizateonnt
date but thereea signs that a till n ompliance.
red problems a is were. lack of staff, trme and
ocher issues takingcprecedence.th
Mayor W nston asked w ity i ith
the on-sire signage. bMr. Gosline repliedmeven thoughvnot ices had
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major property owners, s pp q enters, etc.,
bhereswas no involvement.
d he hatl received one call regarding
banners inetneE.scgr~c District.
argent r sea t ing q any
togs ofrtne Codes Enforcement B ara w heldnlastMyear. S£
thet intent w s to redesign the way the cityeadministers codes
t penalties, would rt require another codes enfoecemen
personeteadminister.
osl ine replied, c tly, t officer's primary
problem is having to aorbotn paper wo~keand violations. The
C practice of people c ing i ompliance the day before
therm ing and not having tomappearta nd n ing
adjudicated w adjudicating a ompliance
Quid documentstne o e Piest offense ro cthe r ord
e proposal i setwa aagenda deadline a ued, there
ou la be n etdiscus si on u til they c ebefore the board.
Fortner, many come rnto compliance upon ~equest or by being
dblatt said the i r people t omply.
Currently, Che city is view ing line srte 2-J times, sending 2-3
a philosophical prospective--citation, and get
people i ompliance fastee, or go through all these steps
before coming into compliance.
ity has anytnins t r s to of her a be r ouelity of
life, a d to be and t e laws.tt r d findi
way t o do it theof first t Tneaonly way fo
Longwood T.ofgrow i o grow i - Cne city i only srx
square miles. eelievea the code needeto nave teeth.
Deputy Mayor Miles e argen is c
eelie~ea ine city w ~w~;.one ompenea for r~aine
dollars and what makesaa able ma eket is the cna ra tier ort
ity. unfortunately, t t do a Tote
noels e to ao s ,ng e my i
b~ rn a more c p rt rye moaeaw need to address resew, lixe
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signs n omplia nce; t ought he w inq lack of follow up
inq letters to adjudication s o take a
longst Believed [he c s here to tliscuss t
philosophy of enforcement as regu lab ons are mean g ss unless
enforceable.
believed the p oblem is due t the vague n
the code1ne a left the da.ts ai th.is t4.meu (r:32
p.m. and ieturnedsat y.34apcm.)
sed w ould b a differential in the Type of
enforcementhbetweenhcommercial and residential and whether
Mr. Gas l.i ne was of the oplnron Chey have different requl.at.ions
osline said if Ue c e to adopt the citation system
he would smooth ouC thempeocedure
ued with respect t enforcement of the c tation
Dystemsio Gaff pointed out that the enforcement. i througR the
Question w sed a whether The c system w
standsbehind the city'sac tationtsystem and whethertthe c
system w n fact, a better system than i ent ly in1places
osline explained the c ent s ou ldustill b n place;
The citation system would b added iftc n desired1 Deputy
Mayor M opinion t ity didsnoT. now Rave a y em
rn pla celthataguarantees compliances
d part of t e problem w Che city Ras
supportedccotlestenf orcemeni.R urther, believed if t i[y
take the position of wanti ng Eto enforce the c
bring[signs i ompl is nce, etc. s adtlit.i onal would need
o be Rired [ ist. She empha sit ed the importance of s anding
beRind codes enforcement, by adding extra personnel, and to be
proactive, not reactrve.
. Taylor suggested the first s n be w s per the
code, and t n decide howcto enforceri dblatt
red saying i orks well n Mr. Taylor andsMSGOGOOdblatt
explained. ntly, They had spent a geeat d of t
ing the c of the c way i Bads now,
tlrha ve b into compliance with thetstate law and
amendmentsrthereto.
of t t proposed
- Enforcement.hebe s icken and The language
in tRO ourr¢nt city node be reta>ned.
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yea with respect c <he c coaes a ine
pra~c,.~e ~ eormer ~ anaat
sophies o e~eor~emeneamana wnac inem~orre~ceoomm,ss,on s
philosophy was in the enforcement area.
osline said the system i e procedures and
processes n o be worked o ucture i
aadti appears torbe i estea
ingMm vigoeousms Mayor owinston said a lot of thetcomment
hasbyet to be heard.
ooablatt said m t has been discussed is procedural,
out of the Florida Statutes, the
question is howsit lslimplementea.
Tne c ted i s position t
roftthe code{ replacing theuproposed
sete,on lzo.oycnroogn izo.os.
by
argent a byre nThe
commission recess etl from ce.4y p.m. to 9. o]opem.
Mayor reported C issioner Carrico would not be
returnWngstonthe meeting
mo~ea eo adjourn. Motion died for
ia~klocla ~eco~ana
osline a a policy a whether o they
ishea t tablasn a e for o -site signs.
askeaewhetM1er o t theyawisn edat system o
codes enforcement, ananif so, staff woulaudo some dad it tonal work
on the section.
Taylor suggested inquiring how t system
has b orki ng i other c
cold getwinpu[ from some of the county judges. hTM1e
comm~ss,on connorrea.
There w s discussion that public Pea rings have been s nedul ed for
and ] and if a otnee m ing w s held o cthe AtM
thereZwoula sti116be time to make changes prior to the 16tH.
Commissioner Sargent pointed o the e relates t
offinert b ctnas n~e~lm nea <nat
e.pl i~iciy cne coaes o he
asked if that s Dula nefpoi~teaoooc. Mr. cosii~e t
agaeedawith Commissioner Sargent.
adjourn ana to scM1eaule a
woek. session on Sune 4. Meputy Mayor Miles ana
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commieeioner saryent aaia <hey woula not be a~ai sable.
Commissioner Vacca suggested the 5th, however, saia she would not
n failed by a -0-2 vote, with Mayor I~
Deputy Mayor Miles and C argentivoting nay
and commissioners carried a~aevaeea absent.
argent m yea t scneaele a ork s
omno~aaynesu~e z oar, Juno s, atws:oo p
Mo[ion died for lacknofMa second.
osline referred t the s ctlon on permanent signs and asked
the c i.f tney w na ble t mit
for allmsignage t omplia nceme 4~eaexplainea itheli
recommendation inclutlea lowering the height of permanent signs
calculated. fle said the proposal i~ to allow 1 1/2 sq. ft. per
Mayor W asked w impact would b
businessestospecif ically [hose who have just putcuprsigns.
Deputy Mayor Miles n onflict o o different pages within
the proposed code with respect to 254nallowable coverage. of
Deputy Mayor Miles indicated his 1 Mayor W
ith respect to the n signs o ompliance withnthen
and h any w ompliance with the c ent
codeetnat voula not bemin compliance with the proposed code.
of window signs c aid there
separate section i Chenc ealtl nq rw hsdefinitions of
signs and c tea s of w mightibe placed in a
window that ymighT not be consiaer_d signs.
Deputy Mayor Miles c ended if i s found that I58 of t
signs w of compliance w ing c 75&eor
608 would beufouna o omplianceew e proposeddcod e,
perhaps the cu Brent codefshoula be enforced„
1'ay for o ompliance with the c rent
ooae ceula be req~ireatto immea,ateiyeoome ante e p anee.
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Deputy Mayor Miles questioned if the e inq code i eal
if i ower the height t
feete would ha vehto give towtneayeaae2ooo.
not doing their jobs, or busrn ess wi 11 try to cuC trees down.
ory o ena ng ing the way t calculated;
thusthgivingftne smaller b sig na qe w s discussed.
Mayor w nston questioned w makesstherjudgement that the city
should step in and say Little businesses should get more signage
osline said the c sets the policy and the implication i
to allow small businesses t a greater share and opportunit
signage. This proposal gives the c the opportunit
to make a public policy statement in thismregardn
Deputy Mayor Miles said many people have talked Co him about the
much rn favor of what rs being proposed.
Mayor W nston said, rn his personal opinion, he aia not want to
step in and lnte efere with the marketplace.
x p ary Signs.
osline requested direction o the t ary signs, to allow
a11ov t all. aid there w enforcement problem
of manpower ana administrational signs w
sthetic i and the commrssron has the eighteto set valuesain
the oommnnityne
Dpon inquiry, Me. Taylor advised that individually c mmrssroners
could revrew and 9uestion merchants about the signs.o
osline aiscnssea a inq a szso f remowe
portable signs, noting nee~ena,aerea inercineean eoonomrc
ara mcentioe.
Depuen Manor Miles mo~ea t heoule anotn
the v ab s onaay es
Citat Enfor by
Commrssioner Sargentcandscarr reaebynve rce vote.
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