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LONGWOOU CITY COMMISSION
IANGWOOD CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS
LONGWOOIJ, FLORIDA
OCI'OBEt2 24, 1994
Present: Mayor Steve Miller
Deputy Mayor Ron Sargent
Commissioner rris Benson
Commissioner Paul I.ovestrand
W. Shelton Smith, City Administrator
Geraldine U. Zmnbri, City Clerk
Fernand Tiblier, Director, Public Warks
Richard S. Taylor, 1r., City Auoniey (artivW at']:0"] P.M.)
Absent: Commissioner Anoamarie Vaoci
1. Mayor Miller called a special meeting vo order at'J:Ol p.m.
2. PROPOSED SMPROVfiMF_NTS TO RANGELINE. ROAD
A INTRODUCTION - FERNAND l'IBLIER, GTY ENGINEER/DIR. OF
PU6L[C WORKS.
Mr. Tiblier said this was the third session held wiW regard to dre proposed
mpro o Rangeline Road at which public enlwae received, the first mee[Iog
held htm Julys tthe eecond on August 25, 1994. Mr. Tiblier an iced that public
participation [Dons were available and asked those oltizens wbo wished to addreu their
is to the Commission to fill out a form. Mr. Tiblier pre nted a brief hirtory of the
proposed prgec cep[ion of projeot began prio to ]annary of 1991 at which t e the
s approved a sales o fond ce nspor on prcjecu; 5800,000 w
aside for mpro o Rangeline RoadYto date, $40,000 has bean spent for the
preliminary enginee engedesign.
Mr. Tiblier said nt the lost meeting the consultants, Profess naI Engioaering Consnltanlx
(PEC), recommended to adopt two typical cross sec~ionc, one being Gom Church Avenue
uth to SR 434 with two through hoes, o ach direction with a rn lane in
Wet plan of popular. Therefore, the plan codified to orporu e gran vedtiar
strip. MrWTiblier said dint was done and he referred to We boards in We Chamber which
indicated a 12' gra nedian and he thei referred to the ea desvribed xe Typical Cross
Sec on #5, with divided media and <r -n lanes Seco~~d. on north side of Church they
ending the typical se say the same and only drainage be incorporated,
no mediannwillr through lanes in bosh direchon.c Mr-Tiblier said there rwnld be very lit~le
ihinge an the contlgnraeon of are road at the imersection of sR asa, .~;nt ate exnnpeen o[
extendeU left Iu n lane ro get o the Winn Dixie. Mr. Taylor arrived al this point to
the meeting. Mr. Tiblier said sprout features would include curb and gutter.
Mr. Tiblior then referred to the segment of the mad north of Church Avenue
explxlning a,e road went through u residential area He referred to the drainage rystem to
be instilled and that the road would hive ti be tarn apart in order to put in the drzinige
due to the depth rrquiremenb for Installation. He noted the plan nailed for sidewalks and
for signalizaaon zt Church Avenue. Further, PEC did point out that signalization was a
red impro meat', however, whether signalizattoo is tmwlled would be a decision o[
the Con+mtsson.
Michael Groberg, 525 Westport Dr, said be does not see the purpose o[ the median
saying it would require upkeep. Does not believe stop signs benefit the road.
Mayor Miller explained that the grass median would eliminate the Wird lane traffic.
Con er I.ov end poit tad o raI other s for Ore tedia raI
drx'tnage through thetgrass and an opportunity [or beautifoation. Commissioner Benson
t ecammended xeroscape planting.
Larry Wilbur, Corlesu Ct said ho was a professional engineer licensed to practice
in the State of Plonda, and said this is not a widenivg per seaut the mad has seen spread
make widen i the finu Ida said he kno s Cher is property to the
ortlothat needsatoebe served by a,is oad and Seminole County may be looking far ao
opportunity to widen m they ran develop.
Level of se ce of the oad was disc sad and it oted that the projec on (or the yea
2015 would be 26,000, level E, mod that the curzeot level of service is level tC. Mr. Wilbur
objeeted to the 'mpro saying bigger roads will m raffic and will open up
that hrez w the north.eMrn Wilbur asked if it would benpossible to only allow a widening
of the road if it wzs approved by ate voters. Comnnssioner Lovestrand noted Chit the
width needed for four lanes is 78 feet rod the Rangeline Road right of way Is 66
feetnMr~ W ilbur was advised that the City Commission voted to downgrade ate road in ate
Comp Plan. Mr. W ilbur rebutted that there were condemnation proceedings that mould be
followed.
Comt cr Beo slid she doe aay in o the teighborhoods
and w tad to n Rangeline sideotialsst c She said speed htmtps have bee
stalled and it h s Helped to reduce the traffic Slee said v ring the integrity of
wmmuniry and i avo line road will bmter the neighborhood and provide Iandsoaping.
Nadine 'FOlos, Highland Hilla said the o s approved by voters neiamr
Rangeline nor any otltor road was listed wiat regard toxtl eire[erendutn. She said in 1994
the City did enter into an imerlocal agreement with the County. She said Dog Trzek is
also on ate list for improvements for next year.
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David Hobbs, 905 Woodgate, said he Iked We plan presented tonight with the excoption
of [he raffic light, said the speed (rumps and crop vgns have dec aced the ra[fic Mayor
Miller tsaid there does not seem to be avy backup and it seemsrlike the plan is working.
Chief Baker was asked what the current traffic vaunt was ov 1angeline and he said it has
decreased from 1"1,000 vehicles per day to 15,000. Mr. Hobbs said he would like to see a
speed hump ii stalled between Church and Woodgate going north.
Jane Ryan, 303 MoClintovk St, feels sn~ongly everything should be done vo euvourage
people to use other roads -need to put in a Duple more speed bumps and avotlter stop
sign.
Mayor Miller said the Commission did ask the State for en interchange et E.E. Williamson
and a reply w ved saying they w nclined. Ms Ryan said she would rawer
have had dra nsege than a road that will brings n traH'c
Commissioner Aenson said sire recevtly asked that a irafFic study be done of Rangeline
Road and other streets. She asked that"No through Trafflv'", "Loral TraHiv Only"signs be
stalled. Now, she said the City will have a unifomt traffic ordinance. Mayor Miller said
a work shop will be needed to raviow the prcposal.
Dave Zainbon, W oodgnte, asked about the speed ramps and the trial period of four months
and said if speed ramps r ceded. Further, if then o speed ramps a
Woodgate, suggested n crop light rciggernd by traffic vying w get out xt Tiberon, be
tvstalled.
Marie Wins n, Devmtshir ,spoke in favor of eliminazingtruek access and imposing weight
limits etc to
Nadine Tolos, Highland Hills, said the residents of su subdivisions have been reassured
Rangeline Road would not be wideved; however, all plans show n widening or straightening
fo so to degrco. Further, n it has a t2' wide middle road Ms. Tolos asked the
Commission I[ they would take a vote avd clearly list all the changes end she reiterated
what the residents by petition had requuted; vo widenivg, drainage both sides o[ the road,
sidewalks on both sides, turn lane at Church. Said the residents are demanding protection
for the children and residents who navigate the road ov foot. A show of bands indicated
a majority of the audience members were tv egre meat with Mrs. Tolos.
Mr. Tbliu said all rite envmonmental agevcies will be notified regarding the project area
ar Kivdercare will be done. In response w whether the road would be wider, Mr. Tibliu
said the pav ant will not be any wider, but when the gie n medimt is tnytallwl i1 will be
16 foci wideem
Nelda Pryor, 1081 Sonoma Ct., quoted Mayor Millers stntentent fromthe firstmeetivg avd
the August 18 "Sentinel"; no widening, drainage, avd sidewalks. Asked that the Cammissiott
clearly speci[y .Nlat will be doneand vote ov tt. Asked that the Commission live up to what
they have pro nrsecl.
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loAVV Rebello, Highland Hills. suggested anod~er alternative be given to using Rangeline
Road and asked that the Con mlk to the repres abou other
erohange. S9id the speed eavm'ps, help somewhatsthte more tho betlcr. Asked if the
mould have input aHer the four mouth vial period for speed hmvps. Said what will
happy t in the hnurc is their oonoarn and asked what would happen if the Comp Plan
chavge is rejeued.
Tba City Atto nay said this referendum yue under the City Char r. FLrther
would qne hov i( this Commission mould blvd avotber'Commtss~ov to have a referendum.
The Commission rccessW Gom 6:2"1 p.m_ to g:SO p.m.
Ken Pedlow, WoodgatG said he liked the program for the road as it gives n better, safer
road, a Inndsenped n~edien will stop suioida aspeot; draivage will be solved, and will improve
Ilse look o[tbe road. Hxppy to see speed bumps on vial basis. Mayor Miller said the road
is no wider at any given poivt thou now - tl~e driving lanes will be the same.
Tim Orrxnge, Highlxnd Hills, said 6e did suggest speed humps at [Irat meetlvg avd some
traffic was diswuraged. He referred to how the speacl humps on Toligato disoouraged
people from using the road avd likened tbat with use of I2avgeWre ]toad by vehicles trying
to get to lake Mary.
Ran McLaughlin, Slmdow Hill, said Ise liked the plan; said Ise did not know what the
problem with Gmu~way was. However, he svgguted lookivg at the issue differently avd
provide av alternative mute end s~ggeated the Commission work with Inks Mary and the
Couvty to make it Itappev.
Ansel B. Herrman, Sandahvood, said he did xot want Rangeline widened as he was
canaerned it will became 3/4 lanes.
Robeet Wons, Devonshire, said bike path mould be ov one sidednd sidewalks on the other.
Mr. Tibliu said bicyoles will be accom~nodatul on file roads.
Bob Miller, Tiberon, said ltd appreciated the stop sign but said the speed ramps need w be
painted with e highway safety yellow paint. Said the two bumps are 120' apart avd asked
for saying one piece of the odd is pretty un rolled. Spokat radio[ sabov
what ~he e level of the and w x C o n £t Said peoples eodon a disc
Tlie oadservii e origival idea change the odd. flow this odd
widening projec ivg the ox0 is what is paved today. Said thevresidents'spoke in
derail about pre wing the little big of w Complained abom the onditi of
Rangeline Road and said a commivnent was needed to uke care of the proposed medians.
Said ie svongly opposes this plan xs' it Uoes not cake into consideration what was calked
about.
Jacob Wxnenbeig, 550 Preston Road, said he was a vaffc engineer. Said the Commission
is looking to main~ain the road and be supported this prgect. Funber, solutiox is to find
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cite es for rhos ring through and suggesteda seffort be made to go
m UOT to tend a solutlove otAlso suggested flashing yellowcsgnu'be installed.
klel'1'eylor, Ucvonshire, spoke in favor of the pruposed plan, and said he was opposed b
speed bumps. Said he was vn enginner and speed humps can be very dangerous and cited
mnple of m ciclen valuing speed humps. Enc raged m re law enfor
ftangeline to curmil speeding. Encouragul dealing wish rhea drainage problems on
Ravgeline.
loe Williams, Devonshire, said he liked thn plan rod ev uraged the Commission to
approve it. Said he agreed with the previous speaker regarding speed humps, and said [hey
solar and asked the audiar o if they would Tike t vel ov r speed humps o
their way to the mall, o n the way soothe high school. He encouraged the Commission
work with the City otrLake Mery and Seminole County to take a unitul front in dealing
with the Stat Saida isible as befog imposed o veryon city who s the
oad as speed humps a essfulao vehicles. Said "no tovn is an island." Suggested
getting the police force out to enforce the speed laws.
-iIl Wins n, Uev naliir said he haz seen a observing the traffic flow, that they is les
raffic and Icss backup and it' uch a to go up and down ftmigeline. Said he drought
the speed humps leave had a mpact an'd perhaps it should be looked in e if they
should be expanded. tAirther eed to look again tthei rchange. Indicated his
with the plan s pre rated. Said c shad volunteered to work toward gattingea
interchange anA thought the City shmddedo char
Ed Sennet4. Highland Hills, said he preferred sop signs to speed humps a[HighUvd Hills.
Seed he thought the oleos was to address dm Wage av0 that we .vet trying to slow va[4ic
and restrict truth
Curtis Donahou, Shadow Bill, said hn was also a br~siness owner in Longwood and was in
favor of the plan.
Con r Lov and said a qne sed by a widen abou a I6' vs. 12'
media and ability to put bullhor urbs~ andaqures aced it a 1G vs a 12' median should
bee nsidered. Mr. Tiblier said that was an impor rat poi and in fact the consoltants(Mr.
Alez Hull) also ceA this concern. He said We mediantas shown in the play is 12' avd
4urther explained liow she tapers worked with respect. to a 12' median or a wider median
noting that DOT standards set requirements (or how these medians can be installed.
Motion by Commissioner 6enson to approve Sectlon 5 without traffic
signaliza and witho ~t bike path on the west side from Devonshire m SR
434 and ,to complete the project far drainage improvement utili¢ing 16
nedian dividor if that . ould be the safes raflic rediau divider that our
traffic engineers believe, subject to staff recommendanon.
Commissioner 6enson said what we m~e saying is a 12' divider is not as sa (e as a 16' divider
She askod for a show oP hands cP those in favor of a 12' divider- Show of hands was about
50% of the audience. Mr. Alex Hull (PEC) said from e Florida Green Back, whiUi is what
o when we design the minimum standards if a dlvidW median is used, should be t5
12 feet and our recommendation is to stay with the safer median which meets the design
Further, if you build below minimum standards, ]sa believed it ould be in
violet n of Florida s avd if sued ov ecident, would be s e¢hing elre neys
ould look at very closely Mor onded by Com er LO~e nd. Dep`tMayor
Sargent, £or clarification, said his understanding w s if rhea road was tonally to up to put
dra wage, ovld roe be put beck as is due to requi enk to meet minimuntnsmndards
Mr' Tiblier replied that substa Bally c 1eDeputy Mayor Sargev said iE the
drainage wind not be fisedaany other way, then We road should be redcne.
Mr. Ed Sevnee eaid his concern was that the median discussed this evening was a 12' median
and vow it is 16', and many people have Ief[ not knowing tills.
Mayor Miller said the questicv is what is Ne right Ning to do and is the safety of the public
risk with a 12' vs. 16'. A gentleman in the audience objected to the decision. Mayor
Miller said be believed it was the right thing to do avd was inclined to believe dre motion
ov floor was the right thing to Uo.
Motion by Commissioner Lovesnand to extend meeting for a maximum of one half hour.
Seconded by Commissioner Benson. Carriod by unanimous voice vote.
Gentleman In audience yueatloned sully there was no sidewalk on west side of road noting
there was no traffic Iigit to cross over. It was mentioned that due to Mudd Lake on the
t side drat it would be difficult to install Hte sidewalk. Disa~esion continued abort
safety ooveetne
Motion cnrriecl by unanimous roll call vote.
3. Meeting adjourned at 10:061'.M.
Mayor, City of Longwood. Florida
ATI'
Geraldine D. Zzmb ', ity Clerk