CCMtg09-22-82WSI1)C%Z~COD CITY ORTIISBIOI~
&EPLO~QiEft 22, 1982
Presm[: Mayor lennmrn
Carznissimer GYane
Camussimer O'Leary .~
Camussimer Yappas
Cam~issimer Uskert
Bud Bryme, Building Official
Marvin Rooks, L1ry Attorney
1bnald Terry, City Cterk
1. Mayor Lonreem called the monk session Co order aC 3:30 p.m. Mayor tormenn asked
Cwmd.ssimex Uskert to speak on the subjece of teq~oraxy vs pexmment siP,ns.
2. C issimer Uskert said the City cros samfiat negligent in enforcing cF:e. sa
ordinan and said the sign cmp~ar~ies moue not paying attention Co The rules. Comm.ssiores'
Uskert said he had node an inspection ehis date and he cited 10 sign violations that
he said err Bed m Qi 42]. Cmmiss r UskerC said a mdificatim eo the sign ordinan
requiredswhich would require thaC idmti£ica Tags aze placed m Tarywrery signs c~
where they aze clearly visible fron the s and be suggested ChaC the Police [kpartme~
check signs eo require mforceome of the rules. Crnmissimer Uskert said of 11 signs t
checked, wily 1 cmfoxaed Co requirata~es. C issiwier O'ixary said Tlie key Co the
problem car Co distinguish between eemporary and patmmmt signs. Camti.ssioner 4Ymt
asked wiry merbers of the sigP industry bad rot been invited to attend work sessim.
Cmmissimer Uskert said he did noC think CbaY iT was prop' for the sigi people to
be invited co the work sessim. Mayor Iurvmn said she agreed that the terynrazy sign
people should be present. Mayor Loxmarm ehm read a amnradun to the Cwmdssim frrni
Mr. enacey dated Sape bar 21, 1982 which said CM1aC no cmiplaints bad been received
mceming terywrary signs in swesal nonchs and Uwt svbst~tial progress had been made
~ ec ing prlor problems and abuses. 'the mavranAm said two signs re:auud a
pro6lcvn, the me ae Saddle Up and the wu ae Union ]6, both which were in use prior eo 1~
t of our vmi~ ordinance and both were crosidered pezmmmt signs. The mero-
randw: also recams3nded that the Building Official be cturged with enforemmt o£ sign
regulaerms.
3. Mr. Sod Bryant spoke and said he thougpt the use aW regulatim of sierLS had iagrwei
and said Uut of the 10 signs mentioned by Cmmissimer 4Ya~t, all 10 aze crosidered
pemm signs. Fk. Bryan aid chat pre r rotes do .w specify Che physical charac -
s of a sign and the wSy thing that diseinguishes between a permanmtsign sid aCaz
te~porary sign is duratim of The pemdt. Mr. Bryant said chat a variable sign wfiere Use
ssage can be charged can be penna~ent or te~gorary. Mr. Bryant said there were only
abouC 25 pcene of the een@oraxy signs in use compazed to iw years ago. Camussim
O'Leary suggested rem ;wing business persms with petrtmmt signs tltat lwk like tegi~
orary signs, such as Saddle Up, to put sore of base m then. Mr. Rinks said that
Article 621.3R(4) of the Zming Ordinance requires thae all penemmt signs or advereising
er which may becwre nm-corifomdng as a result of the macmiait of this ordinm~ce
shall be brought sn cmformity with all the provtsiwns and requiraraes of this se
wiehin a period of three (3) years of doe effective dace of the ordinance. !4. Rookst~
said the Ciry's regnlacims m signs covered requirercants for srz spacing, a ,
bu[ could not specify other physical characteristics of a sign such a method of coetc.
ssage conveyed, Camussimer Uskert said he ebmght fable message
marquee type signs should becprotubieed for permanent signs. T5. Bryant said he had
en letters to s of Saddle UP aid Urim ]6 concerning their pexmmmt signs.
Ilersaid ihae Mr. Poe Corof Saddle Up lud agreed e mrve his sign back away fran flee iighC
of way and eo place sere type of base m The sign buC true be also wmeed Union ]6 to
do the soon. Mayor Ioxarrrm asked if sue xequiramm s o£ pexm~mme signs mould nrevmt
ta~orary signs frwo being used a a pemm~m[ sign.t Mr. Cktacey, wbo Md joined the 1'
Bing in progress, said tint a 4X8 cmporary sign mould meee the requirersts for
a pemmmt. sign.
4. Cwmdssioner Grano said there is noehing in the City's ordinance which specifies
the physical st e of a sign. Chief N ming said the Ciry's ordinnnce does not
pecify what a pen~mt sign wi11 look like and said Hie owner of the sign detemm~es
wheeher it ss Cen?orary or penaanmt. based t9wn h'is need for a perrmien[ or tmgwrary me.
5. Mayor lonrmm suggested Hut CwaN.ssioner IlskerC cork vo a suggested revision
w the sign ordinance which mould accmPlish what he desires. Th. Rooks said he mould
ass~.s[ Crnmissioner Usker[ in making the proposal.
6. Mayor tnrnacn asked Cmmissioner Pappas to brief the Cafmissioa m his re artfada~~
moos about parking in Lmguuod. Camdssionar Pappas said he had made a study of the
City's parking ordinazice and parking areas of the City. He said ovary regulations are
beixig violated and said the police love no authority to is tickets or tow cars
He suggested clot Ordinance No. 521 be modified. Mr. larrY
Grosersaid the Skylark azea was a probLam area because people were pazki.rlg on the right
of way and ten said the Ciry's ordinance did not make sufficient definit on wtut
a Vmi and what is en vehicle. t4. Rooks agreed ehere crererinconsistencies
an the zoning ordinancerec~ hose said there was a school bus ac 103 lake Gan that
iud obtained a RV tag fran the stage and Horse was mthing he could do since the
ordinance says tbae the Stage is the detennitiing Factor as eo the classification
of the vehicle. (2iie£ Maiming suggested that the ordinance also be reviaaed con erring
classificaeions of pickup trucks and wreckers. Chief Msming said there aze regulations
which prohibit parking on sidewlks and in driveways. Mr. Chacey suggested that the
C®niss cazefully consider prohibiting parking on sides of roads beraivse many s is
wide au~ugh t camdate two vehicles passing. C .miss er GYait said he ~
opposed to giving tickets for parking on green belts 'fie Crnrmssion agreed Htar
nosparicing requirenenis should be considered individually by street or at lease by
Subdivision.
]. Mayor tonnam requested clot Cmmissioner propose-recamendaticns for ingrrovtng Hie
parking regulatrons.
8. Mayor Inrmam asked Camdssionex Pappas m explain his re mmmdaeimi ihae germs
of office for Camdssioners be lengihaied. Camdssiomer Pappas suggested that teams
be ended t of Four yeazsend said this time world pervdt Cwmissicn
leamttheir jobses~d be more effective as C~dssiawss. Mr. Rinks said the Camdssion
could pass and ordinance re Trending rFimiges of terms of office end Uus mould noble Ha
question to be pat eo the cieizens of Iangwood during the Decamber ], 1982 eleceion
Cemdss s Gnat and O`Leary said they did nog Fawr ex ending the to fos
Gears. rCanrdssioner Pappas said he HwuphC voter participation wwid be improved i£
were lengths.~ed. Covnussiwier Uskert suggested Chao' the Gnmission consider
ttaving diserict voting for Ccm~dssioners rather ehai City wide end he said he agreed
ending [ o four year Mayor Iurmvn asked For a o£ oPiniai about
~tmding terms 0 4 yeazs. Mayor Ions and Cmm~issioners Pappa'sazid Uskert said
they believed the should be brwghe o the of the s for e
Dece~er ], 1982 vid They requested the City Attomeytto love an ordinaz~ce prepared
fox first reading on N&nday, Sept ber 2], 1982 whith would extend terms to four yeazs.
Camdssioner Deane and Gmnissi.oner 0'I y did not ogee with exta~ding genre ro four
9. 'the workshop was adjourned ae 5:20 p.m.
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