Pension10-19-10Min BOARD OF TRUSTEES
Florida Municipal Trust Fund Retirement Plan and Trust
for the Firefighters and Police Officers
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES
October 19, 2010 7:00 p.m.
Present: Marc McLarnon, Chair
Robert Redditt, Vice Chair
Chris Kempf, Secretary
Peter Katauskas, Member
H. Lee Dehner, Board Attorney
Jon C. Williams, Financial Services Director
Sarah M. Mirus, Recording Secretary
1. Call to Order. Chair McLarnon called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m.
2. Pledge of Allegiance. Chair McLarnon led in the Pledge of Allegiance. -
3. Approval of Minutes: April 20, 2010 Regular Meeting.
Chair McLarnon moved to approve the April 20, 2010 Minutes as
presented. Seconded by Vice Chair Redditt and carried by a unanimous
roll call vote.
4. Review of Agenda Packet Material.
A. Plan Account Statements (May 2010, June 2010, July 2010, and
August 2010).
The Board reviewed the Plan Account Statements in detail.
Chair McLarnon noted on May 1, 2010, they had a beginning balance of
$6,132,553.64 and an ending balance of $6,110,903.61. He said in August
2010, they made a lot of ground and the total. Contributions were
$254,294.24.
The Board reviewed the Earnings/ (Losses) that were included in the Plan
Account Statements for May 2010, June 2010, July 2010, and August
2010.
Chair McLarnon noted they were down by five percent (5 %). He said
during that timeframe, there was the State Contributions of $230,000, the
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average Contributions of the Employer was $15,000, and the average
Employee Contributions was about $3,000 per month.
Vice Chair Redditt noted it was down about $137,794 was what he came
up with.
Secretary Kempf asked for an explanation on how they arrived at those
figures.
Chair McLarnon explained how they arrived at those figures.
Secretary Kempf noted there was nothing that could be done about the
market right now. He said in comparison to other funds, inquired if the
fund was drastically under or over.
Chair McLarnon said he personally did not know how they compared to
other funds. He said if they look at the overall, he noted they were a little
underwater. He said they have to look at where do they stand with the
market and were they meeting their investment market objectives, which
they were not. He said if their goal was seven percent (7 %), they were not
there and neither was anyone else. He said the good news for them was the
investment portfolio was fairly heavily weighted towards a bond fund,
which gives a certain level of security going forward. He stated nowhere
was anyone doing great right now.
Vice Chair Redditt said if you compare the Beginning Balance on May 1St
and then look at the Ending Balance on August 31 St, the difference was
only $21,650.
Secretary Kempf noted the State Contributions were being lumped
together at that time and that's been their only saving grace. He stated if
they did not have that come in, then they would really be in the negative.
Chair McLarnon said the fortunate thing they have going for them was the
type of plan and the State's contribution. He said that was the real benefit
and if you shopped around in the private market right now, no one was
making their pension contributions or 40 t K contributions. He stated
according to these documents, the fund itself was very well funded, very
secure as compared to most, and they do have a surplus in the fund to
make up for any shortfalls from the State as they occur. He said there
were enough money managers looking at the investment that they have
and they would have to defer to their expertise as best as we can.
Vice Chair Redditt said they know they're conservatively invested too.
Secretary Kempf inquired how much did the City contribute. He said he
knew the City put in over and above State Contributions and asked Mr.
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Williams what the number was.
Mr. Williams said he did not have the actuarial evaluation in front of him
and said it was in the.heighborhood for a total of a $500,000 figure. He
affirmed this was for the year. He said the State premium tax money, as a
result of the last evaluation, was projected to be $302,000 coming from the
State and then the difference to come from the City. He said anything
below the $302,000 base level; the City had to make up that difference.
He said he did not have actuarial evaluation and would not be able to
provide him with a definitive number right now.
Secretary Kempf asked how you would know what the overall balance
was.
Mr. Williams said each year they have an evaluation done and then the
evaluation comes back and tells what the annual required contribution was
to be. He said the variables that come into play would be the premium tax
moneys that you would receive to make up that difference. He said it was
something that needed to be watched annually, once they do receive the
evaluations and then adjustments made accordingly throughout the year.
Discussion was held regarding when the City contributes to the pension
and where it was listed on the statements.
Member Katauskas stated he added the numbers while they were talking
and said it was five percent (5 %) down. He said you would want to check
the number and how was this portfolio performing against other portfolios
like it. He said this was down five percent (5 %) over a four (4) month
period.
Chair McLarnon stated the goal was an increase of seven percent (7 %). He
said it was a combination of all resources to include: Contributions,
Income, and Fund Earnings.
Discussion was held regarding the checks being received and then being .
deposited into the fund.
Secretary Kempf said when he looked at the Contributions and it was so
variable. He said he knows they take a fixed amount out of their
paychecks and inquired how you derive at what you contribute.
Mr. Delmer said the statutory requirements were the member contributions
and were to be deposited immediately after each pay period; and the City
contributions were to be deposited at least quarterly. He said the State
contributions have to be deposited five (5) days after being received by the
City.
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Secretary Kempf stated he understands that, but the number changes all
the time.
Mr. Williams said it would fluctuate with the level of payroll, and
provided an example.
Chair McLarnon said with no further questions, they would approve
Section A, the Plan Account Statements.
B. Memorandum 2009 Annual Report.
Mr. Delmer said the Memorandum indicates the State accepted the Annual
Report.
Mr. Williams said this was for informational purposes for the Board that
the Report had been reviewed and approved by the State.
C. Invoices.
Discussion was held regarding the Invoice submitted by the Florida
Municipal Trust Fund for the Actuarial valuation and individual benefit
statements as of October 1, 2009, submitted April 9, 2010.
Chair McLarnon moved to approve the Invoices as submitted for
payment. Seconded by Member Katauskas and carried by a
unanimous roll call vote.
D. Quarterly Performance Review.
Chair McLarnon said the quarter ending numbers were not significantly
different than what they already know from looking at the actual fourth
(4 month period. He said fortunately, they were able to see August,
which showed a nice improvement. He said again it showed forty percent
(40 %) in the bond fund and what they have in the other diversified funds.
He said there being no questions, they would move -on to accept these
numbers as presented.
E. 2009 Firefighters' Supplemental Compensation and the 2009
Premium Tax Distribution.
Chair McLamon inquired what the Premium Tax Distribution was.
Mr. Williams said it's an annual revenue source. It is down somewhat
from prior years.
Chair McLarnon said basically it is the two checks we have received that
have been forwarded on to the fund.
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Mr. Definer said with respect to the police distribution, there was one
distribution that was attributable to the police officers, which was the
0.85% tax on casualty policies written within City limits. He said for the
firefighters they were on property insurance, but they have two (2)
distributions. He said the first distribution was capped at the greater of six
percent (6 %) of the payroll for one half (' /2) of monies collected.i He said
the supplemental distribution was provided from amounts that were
collected over the cap that were not needed to go to the State Educational.
Fund.
Chair McLarnon noted the supplemental was the $39,000.
Mr. Dehner responded in the affirmative. He noted this year; the
collections were down Statewide on the average.
Chair McLamon thanked him for placing the information in thei packet.
F. Compliance with Identification and Divestiture of Securitized
Companies Under Sections 175.071 (8) and 185.06 (7), Florida
Statutes.
Chair McLarnon said this had to do with the Trust Fund itself. He said
this was basically for investment purposes or for informational purposes.
Mr. Dehner said this was an amendment to the Statutes 175 and 185 last
year. He said it was protecting Florida's Investments Act and essentially
provides that we cannot be directly invested in non- domestic companies
who were doing certain businesses primarily military and energy- related
businesses in Sudan or Iraq. He said if they did have those businesses,
then they were required to divest last month of any direct investments. He
said if they owned a mutual fund of any those companies, then the
statutory requirement was that they communicate with the Administrator
of the pooled funds and ask that they divest of these scrutinized
companies, or alternatively establish another fund without the scrutinized
companies. He said that in every case that he was aware of, the responses
to those communications have been "no" and "no ". He stated once they
have done that, however, they do not have to divest of the pooled funds
and mutual funds. He said the Administrator would need to communicate
with us that they have complied with the statutory requirements. He said
the report of compliance needs to be in the minutes when they receive that
communication. He said the requirement of the statute were identification
of the scrutinized companies and public notice. He said reading the
Division's position to meet the public notice requirement, they need to
receive a report of compliance from the investment consultant and it
needed to be recorded in the minutes. He said it was important this year
that the Division was not withholding money for non- compliance of this,
but next year they will.
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5. Other Business.
A. Review of Ordinance Amending and Restating Ordinance No. 03 -1671
as Subsequently Amended, and Restating the City of Longwood Police
Officers' and Firefighters' Pension Trust Fund.
Mr. Dehner said that he was prepared to discuss any issues and to answer
any questions. He said the two (2) issues that were outstanding in his
mind was the definition of salary firefighters and this reflects going back
to fixed compensation. He said this provides for total compensation,
which the police officers have.
Secretary Kempf noted this would clear -up everything and that was why
he was trying to get to the next step.
Mr. Dehner agreed that was an outstanding issue. He said the only other
one was to include the DRAGO provisions in this document or to leave it
as a standalone document.
Chair McLarnon questioned if there was something at the last meeting
where it was discussed about changing how the compensation was defined
and it was part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. He asked if that
had to go before the City first and the Union.
Secretary Kempf said it was a Board issue.
Mr. Dehner said the Terms and Conditions of Employment by the
Constitution in Florida was subject to Collective Bargaining. He said the
issues don't necessarily have to go to the table. He said the Board could
recommend an improvement to the Plan such as the compensation
definition, and do not interfere with the process and the union would have
to sign -off on that change pursuant to its rules.
Secretary Kempf stated they were just voting on the issue and they would
have to sign -off on it.
Mr. Dehner said if they were going to improve the compensation
definition, the union would have to sign -off on the page. He noted the
Actuary would have to do an impact statement on that and the funds
would have to be provided for.
Secretary Kempf inquired about the status of the total compensation.
Mr. Dehner provided an update regarding total compensation.
Chair McLarnon asked were they not going to ask the Actuary to give the
Board an impact number that they could talk to the City about prior to
making any recommendations. He said he would hate having to make
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another change to the document if they don't know what it's really going
to cost.
Mr. Williams said back in April when Mr. Paul Shamoun was present at
the Pension Board Meeting, he presented a letter from the Actuary and
didn't recall it being a full impact or actuarially impact analysis that
described what the cost would be in making that change based upon the
2009 earnings. He said as he recalls it was a very minimal impact at that
point in time. He said obviously the wages have been frozen and, overtime,
as wages were unfrozen and increases were given, that impact was going
to change. He said it was a little tough to predict and if he recalled
correctly, it was in the three percent (3 %) range and was a very minimal
number.
Secretary Kempf inquired if they would have to do another Cost: Study.
Mr. Williams responded stating they would have to be an actuarial impact
analysis performed on that change and were currently awaiting an impact
analysis on the Ordinance as exists on this present day. He said if the
Board wanted to take action to make that recommendation to change that
definition, they could call the Florida League of Cities (FLC) tomorrow
and make them aware of the Ordinance change. He said they can provide
them with the new definition of salary and they could bundle that into the
current actuary.
Secretary Kempf inquired if they could make the change before the
actuary study.
Mr. Williams said based upon the electronic mail that he provided to the
Board tonight, they have to perform one on the Ordinance as its exists this
present day. He noted this has not begun as of October 15, 2010.
Mr. Delmer said they copied the Consolidated Restatement on June l O
and had asked for an impact and that had not been done. He said if the
Board directs, they could change the Total Compensation to the same
definition as the police officers for the firefighters and send it to them for
an impact statement on the entire document.
Secretary Kempf stated they have been discussing this since 2008 and he
would like to get it completed.
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Discussion was held regarding the impact the excess funds to service the
projected funding needed coming out of the surplus and not necessarily
out of the City's General Fund or any other funds.
Mr. Williams said if the Board took action tonight and did decide they
wanted to make the change in the definition and that would be the trigger
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for staff to go back to the FLC and tell them they need to include this
provision of the Ordinance in the Actuarial Impact Analysis. He said they
can bring it all back and present the cost to the Board of the Actuarial
Evaluation and the impact that it's going to create. He said that
recommendation can be moved forward to the Commission and they
would have all the information to be able to provide it at one point in time.
Discussion ensued regarding changing the Total Compensation for the
firefighter to match the police officers and outlined the costs increases.
Mr. Dehner said his recommendation would be if the Board wanted to
move forward with this that the Board directs him to change the Salary
Definition for the fighters to mirror the Definition for the police officers
and he would resend the document to Mr. Williams and copy the Actuary
and ask them for the study. He said the change would be in the document
and bring it back to them.
Discussion was held regarding Mr. Dehner's recommendation.
Chair McLarnon moved to direct Mr. Dehner to redraft the
Ordinance to mirror the Definition of Compensation for the
firefighters to match -up of that with the police. Seconded by Vice
Chair Redditt.
Discussion was held regarding the pending motion.
Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
Mr. Dehner said that he was reviewing his notes and inquired if they
wanted the DRAGO provisions in the document or to let that be a
standalone Ordinance as it currently was.
Chair McLarnon recommended leaving the DRAGO Ordinance as a whole
separate Ordinance.
Mr. Williams said he would notify the Lee Adjustice tomorrow morning to
stop on the current Actuarial Impact as they have made the change, and
the change would be forthcoming.
6. Board Attorney Report.
Mr. Dehner reviewed the Healthcare Enhancement for Local Public Servants
(HELPS) Legislation and said the Legislation for Public Safety Officers became
effective January 1, 2007. He said it provided for normal and disability retirees a
$3,000 Federal income tax deduction if the program were to be implemented. He
noted it was not mandatory and it was permissive for the payment of health, long-
term care, and accident insurance premium. He said some plans have adopted it
nationwide, but most have not. He stated the reason was due to the administrative
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burden and said the Board was ultimately responsible for the administration of the
Program. He further explained the Program in detail and said they were
monitoring the Legislation to see what happens. He outlined the changes if the
Program passed and said he would keep the Board posted on the matter:
Mr. Dehner said the next item was the internal revenue and said this relates to the
Memorandum he had sent. He said it was for the Board to determine whether or
not they want to file with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for the issuance of a
Favorable Determination Letter. He said if so, they were in Cycle E filing and
would have to file by January 31, 2011. He said the filing was not required in
order for us to be treated by the IRS as a qualified plan and to derive the tax
benefits of that which were primarily pre -taxed contributions to the Plan. He said
the members do not pay an annual income tax of the value of the accrued benefits
increase in the plan and they would not pay tax in the earning of this plan. He said
it was not required to file for the Favorable Determination Letter. He said they
notified him stating they were going to be more interested in public sector plans to
provide better guidance and assistance. He noted they were stepping up audits on
city plans, which they have never done before. He said the Ordinance would need
to be adopted before they file. He stated the downside was the expense ;and
provided a cost estimate. He then outlined some of the problems and noted the
IRS recognized these problems.
Discussion ensued regarding the City pensions being audited by the IRS.
Chair McLarnon moved to choose not to file for a Favorable
Determination Letter, primarily due to cost. Seconded by Vice Chair
Redditt and carried by a unanimous roll call. vote.
7. Member Comments.
Secretary Kempf inquired if a member from the police would be on the Board at
the next meeting.
Ms. Mirus responded in the affirmative.
8. Public Participation.
Charles "Chuck" Kordan Firefighter, inquired about the $50,000 life insurance
plan for the employees and asked if it applied to other employees who were not
under the FLC Plan.
Mr. Williams said he would go back and look into the matter and get back with
him.
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9. Adjournment. Chair McLarnon adjourned the meeting at 8:25 p.m.
Robert Redditt, Chair
ATTEST:
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Sarah M. Mirus, MMC, MBA, Recording Secretary
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