Pension04-19-11Min BOARD OF TRUSTEES
Florida Municipal Trust Fund Retirement Plan and Trust
for the Firefighters and Police Officers
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES
April 19, 2011 7:00 p.m.
Present: Robert Redditt, Chair
Peter Katauskas, Vice Chair
Chris Kempf, Secretary
Derek Chenoweth, Member (arrived at 7:22 p.m.)
Scott Christiansen, Board Attorney
Jon C. Williams, Financial Services Director /Acting City
Administrator
Paul Shamoun, Florida League of Cities
Sarah M. Mirus, Recording Secretary
Absent: Marc McLarnon, Member
1.. Call to Order. Chair Redditt called the meeting to order at 7:19 p.m.
2. Pledge of Allegiance. Chair Redditt led in the Pledge of Allegiance.
1 Certify Election of Trustee- Officer Derek Chenoweth.
Vice Chair Katauskas moved to certify the election of Trustee. Seconded
by Secretary Kempf and carried by a unanimous roll call vote with
Member McLarnon absent.
Member Chenoweth was introduced to the Board and took a seat at the dais at this
point of the meeting.
4.. Approval of Minutes: October 19, 2010 Regular Meeting and
January 18, 2011.
Secretary Kempf moved to waive the approval of the Minutes until the
next meeting. Seconded by Vice Chair Katauskas and carried by a
unanimous voice vote with Member McLarnon absent.
5. Review of Agenda Packet Material.
A. Plan Account Statements (January 2011 and February 2011).
The Board reviewed the Plan Account Statements in detail.
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Chair Redditt noted the Beginning Balance as of January 1, 2011 was
$6,958,024.29. He stated Contributions for the month of January was
$26,369.65 and the Earnings were $77,112.76. He noted there were no
Distributions and stated there were Fees and Expenses of $3,359.26, with
an ending balance of $7,058,147.44, which was an increase of
$100,122.15 for the month. He stated on the next page, which was the
summary for the month of February 2011, they started with $7,058,147.44
and had Contributions for the month of February of $17,607.14, and had
Earnings of $155,555.59 with no Distributions or Fees or Expenses. He
stated the Ending Balance was $7,231,310.17, which was an increase for
the month of February of $173,162.73. He said they had two (2) nice
increases for the first two (2) months of the year.
Secretary Kempf said it looked like they were really doing well. He stated
comparable to other Funds, it seems like they were doing pretty good.
Mr. Shamoun said for the first quarter of the year, they were up about six
(6 %) percent. He said that would put you above expectations if nothing
changed for the rest of the year and it was an encouraging start to this
Fiscal Year's returns. He said for the December 31 quarter, the Fund had
about $400,000 in Earnings for the quarter and the Return for the quarter
was 5.9 %. The one (1) year number looking back was 12.07, the three (3)
year was 1.3, the five (5) year was 4.17, and the seven year was 4.74. He
said they were beginning to dig their way out of 2008. He said they
looked back at the December 31 five (5) year numbers and the Standard
& Poors (S & P) 500 and what it's return was looking back at each year.
He said in 2004 that number was a negative 2.2, in 2005 it was about'' /2 a
percent, in 2006 it was 6.2 and in 2007 it was 12.8. He said this was the S
& P's five (5) year annualized return as of December 31 of each year. He
stated at that point, the blended fund they were in was at 8.86 %, well
above expectation. He said 2008 was not so good and at the end of 2008
that five (5) year number went from 12.8 to negative 2.1. He said in 2009,
that five (5) year number was worse at negative 5.6. He said in 2010, the
five (5) year number was back up to 2.2 positive. He stated it made up a
huge amount of ground in that one (1) year. He said a lot of people were
arguing the cost of these plans was too high, and they needed to cut, cut,
cut. He said it was only three (3) years ago, before the largest collapse
they had, and everything was running very smoothly and well above
expectations. He said what was considered aggressive in some people's
opinion, was considered conservative a few years ago. He said things
were coming back, as they tend to do in cycles. He noted the one thing
they had made a change in was the Investment Manager for the
International_ Portfolio. They terminated the International Manager about
three (3) months ago, and have just made that transition at the end
of March. He said they hired a new Manager called Sorenberg Asset.
Manager. He then answered questions from the Board Members regarding
the information he had just presented to them.
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B. Quarterly Performance Review.
The Board reviewed the Quarterly Performance Review for the quarter
ending December 31, 2010.
C. Invoices.
Chair Redditt noted the only invoice in the packet was a balance due of
$1,713.70, and that was from a bill they had received that was not yet
paid.
Mr. Williams said it was for legal services from the last meeting and with
the Board's approval, they would submit payment to the Florida League of
Cities.
Vice Chair Katauskas moved to approve the payment of the bill.
Seconded by Secretary Kempf and carried by a unanimous roll call
vote with Member McLarnon absent.
D. Public Records Management.
Chair Redditt said a copy of a letter was received by Christiansen &
Delmer, P.A. regarding this matter, and it looks as if there was a form
already completed.
Mr. Christiansen said the Resolution has been completed and signed. He
stated that a. copy of the Resolution and the Memorandum with the
additional information would need to be sent to the Agency listed on the
Memorandum. He said the State needs to know who their designated
Records Management Liaison Officer was.
Ms. Mirus stated she would take care of it.
6. Other Business.
A. Discussion on the formula used in calculating each participants
benefit for the DRAGO Fund.
Chair Redditt said DRAGO stands for Defined Retirement.
Accumulation Group Obligation Fund. He said the City has to pay an
annual amount into the Retirement Fund, and if they pay in excess
of the required amount, it goes into the DRAGO Fund and noted it was
State money.
Mr. Christiansen said it was basically what they called a share plan. He
said he does not have the ordinance that establishes this and noted they do
this differently here, because most of their plans that have a share plan,
they put the share plan in the ordinance. He guessed a decision was made
that you did not want it to be in this Pension Ordinance they were doing.
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He said it has been adopted by ordinance of the City as he understands.
Secretary Kempf asked if there was a reason why they did not do that.
Mr. Christiansen said typically the whole program was together and in one
ordinance. He said it was subject to all the rules and regulations that the
defined benefit part of the plan was subject to. He said he felt it should all
be put together in the ordinance.
Chair Redditt said according to the Agenda, the discussion was on the
formula used in calculating each participant's benefit from that DRAGO
Fund. He said according to the Actuarial Evaluation that was provided it
states, "Upon retirement from active employment, the retiree is entitled to
receive a pro -rata share of the DRAGO Fund balance as of his date of
retirement, where his pro -rata share is determined by dividing the retiree's
credited service as of October 1 preceding his last day of employment by
the total credited service for all active employees on that date ". He stated
that was the formula.
Secretary Kempf asked if it made a difference to be in the ordinance or
not.
Discussion was held whether or not to include the DRAGO Fund into the
new ordinance, and why it was not included into the new ordinance.
Secretary Kempf moved to have Mr. Christiansen revise the
proposed restatement of the Pension Plan to include the DRAGO
Fund and to send it back to the City. Seconded by Vice Chair
Katauskas and carried by a unanimous roll call vote with Member
McLarnon absent.
B. Presentation of the Fiscal Year 2011/2012 Actuarial Valuation.
Mr. Shamoun reviewed the Actuarial Valuation as of October 1, 2010 in
detail. Throughout his presentation, Mr. Shamoun answered questions
from Mr. Williams, Mr. Christiansen and the Board Members.
Secretary Kempf moved to approve the Actuarial Valuation.
Seconded by Vice Chair Katauskas and carried by a unanimous
roll call vote with Member McLarnon absent.
C. Presentation of Actuarial Impact Statement for the Proposed
Ordinance.
Chair Redditt said according to the information provided, in summary, the
Ordinance would increase the annual contribution required from the City
by .70 of payroll and as of October 1, 2011 the expected increase in annual
cost was $45,708 if the Ordinance carries.
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Mr. Christiansen said this would increase the frozen amount and this was
proposing to use State money to pay for this benefit improvement. He said
the $45,000 a year, essentially what was going to happen was the frozen
amount, which was 302 now, was going to go up to 348. He said this
means that once this benefit was approved, then the City can use $348,000
each year from the State money to fund the defined benefit. He said it
would potentially reduce money that would go into the DRAGO Fund. He
said there was some legislation pending in Tallahassee that, he was going
to cover under his Report but said this was a good time to talk about this
particular item since they were changing the definition of compensation.
He stated, Senate Bill 1128 proposes to make a change to all police, fire
and general employee plans to add a limitation on the definition of salary
and compensation, such that you could not include lump sum payments of
sick and vacation time that would be paid when someone leaves or more
than 300 hours of overtime. He said if this Bill passes as it was currently
configured, it would go into effect July 1' unless they had a union. He
said that would change the compensation definition that they have in the
Ordinance because they would have to acid that it would not include the
lump sums and does not include more than 300 hours of overtime. He
said that may have the effect of reducing the cost of the Plan, which he
suspects it would, and they would have to make that change to comply
with that provision of the State Law if adopted.
Mr. Williams stated the City had unions.
Mr. Christensen said that provision becomes effective with the effective
date of the next contract and would not go into effect on July 1' He said
they would get a reprieve for a while but ultimately it would become
effective.
Secretary Kempf said it would increase excess funds but the DRAGO
Fund would be at a standstill an_ d there would not be a whole lot of
increase in that.
Mr. Williams stated it may be a little premature to talk about it until they
know what the effects of the legislative action was going to be. He said if
Senate Bill 1128 passes as proposed, they would have to make the changes
and do another impact analysis and come back to see what the effect of
that change would be. He said then they can come back and be in a better
position to talk about the State monies.
Mr. Christiansen said these things were hard to keep up with because they
can change daily and frankly, they have changes a lot. He said there has
been an amendment proposed to Senate Bill 1128 to require all plans to
have a DRAGO Fund and requires the State money that comes in be used
to partially pay down the unfunded actuarial accrued liability, and the
other half of it would go into the DRAGO Fund. He said they were
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changing the rules and everyone would have a DRAGO Fund or a shared
plan.
Discussion ensued regarding the proposed legislation and the DRAGO
Fund.
Mr. Christiansen said there was proposed legislation that the Board would
be required to prepare and submit an annual budget. He said the budget
would have to go to the City, and the City would have to approve the
budget, and they cannot spend any money unless the money was budgeted.
He stated Members of the Board were potentially personally responsible
for the decisions that were made, and they have that responsibility and
now they were proposing to take away from the Members the authority to
decide how much money they need to spend to carry out their fiduciary
responsibilities. He said he sees all kinds of potential problems with that
particular issue and discussed them in detail.
Discussion was held regarding the upcoming changes with the Florida
Retirement System (FRS).
7. Board Attorney Report.
Mr. Christiansen said what the State law requires was that each time they approve
an Actuarial Evaluation, which they just did; the Board has to review the
investment program and declare an expected rate of investment return for the next
year, the next several years and for the long -term thereafter. He stated they
typically look to the investment professionals to give them a recommendation.
He said Mr. Shamoun does not do any of the direct investing but he may be able
to give them a recommendation.
Mr. Shamoun said they would be in the range of 7% o, 7 %z% or 8% percent over a
long period of time. He said he did not want to quote numbers since he did not
have the numbers in front of him. He said the research showed that the return
over the next ten (10) years should return 7.6% net of investment related
expenses.
Mr. Christiansen explained the reason for the Declaration of Returns.
Secretary Kempf moved that based upon the advice of Paul Shamoun and
their investment professionals, the Board expects to get a 7.5% investment
return over the next year, the next several years and the long -term
thereafter. Seconded by Vice Chair Katauskas and carried by unanimous
voice vote with Member McLarnon absent.
Mr. Christiansen stated they needed to provide a letter to the State and asked staff
to send the information. He then noted Vice Chair Katauskas term was up in July
and needed to go before the Commission for approval.
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Ms. Mirus noted Member Chenoweth's term was going to be up soon and it
would need to go back to the Membership for nominations.
Mr. Christiansen reminded the Board they needed to complete their Form 1,
Statement of Financial Interest by July 1 St and turn it into the Supervisor of
Elections Office.
8. Member Comments.
Chair Redditt stated Ms. Mirus sent everyone the information on the 32 Annual
Police and Firefighters Pension Trustee's School that would be held May 16 -18,
2011 in Tallahassee. He asked if Members who wanted to attend the Conference
would have to pay for it.
Secretary Kempf stated the Board pays for it and it would have to be approved by
the Board.
Mr. Christiansen noted all Trustees were required to get continuing education in
the area of Board responsibilities and investments. He said the Plan would pay
for the education or continuing education of Trustees and the Trustees were
required to attend.
Discussion ensued regarding the upcoming Conference.
Secretary Kempf moved to approve the expenses for anyone who wishes
to go from the Board. Seconded by Vice Chair Katauskas and carried by a
unanimous roll call vote with Member McLarnon absent.
Chair Redditt asked Ms. Mirus to register him for the three (3) day conference.
9. Public Participation.
Mr. Christiansen noted that he would be attending all future Board meetings.
10. Adjournment. Chair Redditt adjourned the meeting at 8:39 p.m.
obert Redditt, Chair
ATTEST:
Sarah M. Mirus, MMC, MBA, Recording Secretary
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