CC02-06-17MinLONGWOOD CITY COMMISSION
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
MINUTES
February 6, 2017
6:00 P.M.
Present: Mayor Joe Durso
Deputy Mayor Brian D. Sackett
Commissioner John C. Maingot
Commissioner Ben Paris
Commissioner Mark Weller
Dan Langley, City Attorney
Jon C. Williams, City Manager
Michelle Longo, City Clerk
Troy Hickson, Director of Public Safety
Chris Capizzi, Leasure Services Director
Lisa Snead, Financial Services Director
David Dowda, Interim Police Chief
Chris Kintner, Community Development Director
Richard Kornbluh, Division Manager Utilities
CALL TO ORDER. Mayor Durso called the meeting to order at 6:00
p.m.
2. OPENING INVOCATION. Pastor Eric Scholten of First Baptist Church
of Longwood gave the invocation.
3. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
4. COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS. Ms. Longo read the following
announcements.
A. The "Downtown Longwood Cruise -In" Car Show will be held
on Saturday, February 11, 2017 from 5:00 p.m. until 8:00 p.m.
in the Historic District of Longwood located off of Church
Avenue.
B. Senior Matinee will be held on Wednesday, February 15, 2017
from 1:30 p.m. until 3:30 p.m., Longwood City Hall
(Chambers),175 West Warren Avenue. This month's feature
is Denial
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C. The City of Longwood will host the Historic Longwood
Farmers & Artisans Market weekly on Saturday from 9:00
a.m. until 1:00 p.m., in the Historic District of Longwood
located at the corner of North Ronald Reagan Boulevard and
West Church Avenue.
5. PROCLAMATIONS / RECOGNITIONS
A. Proclaiming February 6, 2017 as "Lewis E. (Eddie) Smith, Jr.
Day".
Mayor Durso read the Proclamation and then presented it to Eddie
Smith, Jr. Photographs were then taken.
B. Presentation of the 371 Annual JOY (Juvenile of the Year)
Awards.
Neveah Jones-Carrasco
Markie Shellhammer
Sophie Allen
Maria Whalen
Daequan Moody
Ricky Cole
Jacqueline Sierra Maze
Jemima Leroy
Makayla Long
Altamonte Elementary School
Greenwood Lakes Middle School
Highlands Elementary School
Lake Mary High School
Lyman High School
Milwee Middle School
Rock Lake Middle School
Winter Springs Elementary School
Woodlands Elementary School
Mayor Durso read the history of the JOY Awards. Each student
was announced and presented with a framed certificate.
Photographs were then taken.
The Commission recessed at 6:21 p.m. and reconvened at 6:31
p.m.
C. The City of Longwood would like to recognize the
organizations that volunteered their time and/or services for
the Celebrate the Season and Tree Lighting event which
occurred on December 2, 2016.
Mr. Capizzi, Director of Leisure Services and Ms. Coad, Parks and
Recreation Board Member presented the organizations that
volunteered their time for the Celebrate the Season and Tree
Lighting event with a certificate. Photographs were then taken.
D. Nomination of the Beautification Award.
Commissioner Weller nominated the Longwood Green
Subdivision on Longwood Hills Road for the Beautification
Award. Nomination carried by a unanimous voice vote.
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6. BOARD APPOINTMENTS. None.
7. PUBLIC INPUT
A. Public Participation. None.
8. MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS' REPORT
District #3. Commissioner Paris said he did a walk-through of a local
business, listened to the owner talk about their growth. The business is
Refresh Computers. He said they are wanting to expand and are looking
forward to working with the City. He said it is always great to hear
positive feedback from local business owners who are doing well, looking
to expand and intending to expand within the City. He loves that we are
cultivating this sort of development and growth within our City.
District #4. No report.
District #5. Deputy Mayor Sackett said he really appreciates our City
Manager. He said there was a resident who had many questions and met
with him and the City Manager and they were able to answer all of them
with a positive outcome and the City Manager was very accommodating.
District #1. Commissioner Maingot said he attended the Council of Local
Governments in Seminole County (CALNO) Meeting on February 1' and
it was hosted by Casselberry. He said they did a presentation of their
impressive Pace -Making Development, which involves two restaurants to
be built, and 750 residential units. He said there are fountains and three
ponds, an amphitheater, and bases for statues done by local artists, which
they will rotate around along a walking path, and is in a garden setting.
He said connectivity is their main focus and was an excellent presentation.
He said it is all done within a much larger area than what Longwood has,
and a much larger budget also. He said this morning they placed a special
tonic, fertilizer and mulch around the Senator H, which is our clone from
the 3,500 year old original Senator that got burned down. He
complimented the two staff members that assisted him, Juan and Edwin.
District #2. Mayor Durso said he also went on the tour of Refresh
Computers and it is amazing the square footage that this business owner
wants to expand to. He said the owner wants to find a larger facility inside
the City. He praised staff for the work they have done over the years since
he has been elected. He said Habitat for Humanity has a "Day of Service"
that is coming up in April and are looking for volunteers to do about six
hours of work. He noted tomorrow morning he will be leaving for
Washington D.C. for the Federal Action Strike Team for the Florida
League of Cities, which he is Chairman of that Committee for the Sate
League. He said they have meetings with almost every Congressmen and
will be meeting with the entire state delegation about issues that are of
interest to cities, including the municipal financing, municipal bonds, the
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tax re -status of municipal bonds, some water and right-of-way issues cities
have been facing.
9. ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA. None.
10. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Approve Minutes of the January 16, 2017 Regular Meeting.
B. Approve the Monthly Expenditures for January 2017.
C. Approve a change order in the amount of $16,366.98 to
purchase order #0160355 for Blue Ox Enterprises related to
the construction of the sanitary sewer near Peninsula at Island
Lake Subdivision.
D. Consider waiving or reducing the rental fees at the Longwood
Community Building for Josh Marlette, an employee of the
City of Longwood.
Deputy Mayor Sackett moved to approve Items I OA
through 1 OD as presented. Seconded by Commissioner
Maingot and carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
11. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Read by title only and adopt Ordinance No.16-2106, a Large
Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (CPA O1-16) for a
property on Bay Meadow Road (continued from the January
161 Meeting).
Mr. Langley read Ordinance No. 16-2106 by title only.
Mr. Kintner reviewed the Item and stated staff recommends
approval of Ordinance No. 16-2106.
Mayor Durso opened the public hearing.
Ian Crawford, 1805 Meadowbend Drive, Longwood spoke in
opposition. He said he has lived next to this property for thirty-
seven years and owns a business on Baywood Avenue, south of the
property also. He stated he is also the director of the Meadowlands
Association, which is the property to the west. He said our zoning
is deed -restricted for one house for five to ten acres. He said the
density proposed is roughly five houses per acre and this is a factor
of 25 times. He said there is a single, long entry road with trees on
one side, and he is concerned that in a fire situation there would
not be access for emergency vehicles. He stated there is only one
way in or out, so it is a hazard if the road is blocked. He said it is a
sand road and not a suitable road for lots of traffic. He said it
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needs to be rebuilt with proper drainage if it is going to handle
more traffic. He said the junction with Ronald Reagan Boulevard
with one-way access is very difficult. He said there are four roads
that come together within a hundred feet off this proposed entry,
and there is also a rail line. His employees have to exit from
Baywood Avenue and it is very dangerous, especially making a
left hand turn because there are no traffic lights. He said his
recommendation to the City is to consider reducing it to low
density, which is still four houses per acre and is still a huge factor
of increased density compared to the houses all around.
Mr. Kintner addressed his comments stating, regarding the access
and the state of the road at Bay Meadow, our engineer has looked
at this project in a preliminary basis. He said if there is further
growth on that road, which is a County road, we would need to
coordinate with the County for improvements, but our engineer is
not concerned at this time for supporting this development. He
said as far as traffic and the intersection, Bay Meadow is just south
of that main intersection with Longwood/Lake Mary and the
railroad track and we are not as concerned about that. He said as
far as the density goes, the current low density residential for this
which the County allows is four units per acre. He said the
applicant is seeking Medium Density Residential (MDR-7), which
will take them up to seven dwelling units per acre. He said the
applicant is going to do less than that partly because they are
limited by site constraints. He said they are looking at seventy-two
dwellings an acre, over twenty-three acres that would take them
under the four dwellings an acre. He said the reason they are
seeking the MDR-7 is because of the setbacks, which are five feet
from the side.
Mayor Durso made comments stating that because of the
constraints on the property, the applicant is targeting three to four
units per acre based upon what they can do. He said under the
County Code, they are allowed to do up to four units per acre.
Mr. Crawford said he had one final point, that is one should look at
what has been built around it and not just look at the maximum but
look at the environment as well.
No one spoke else spoke in favor or opposition to the Ordinance.
Commissioner Maingot moved to close the public hearing.
Seconded by Commissioner Weller and carried by a
unanimous voice vote.
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Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Ordinance No. 16-
2106 as presented Item 11A. Seconded by Commissioner
Weller and carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
B. Read by title only and adopt Ordinance No.16-2107, a
Longwood Development Code Amendment increasing
impervious surface ratios in residential districts, allowing more
flexibility in design review, and other general updates.
Mr. Langley read Ordinance No. 16-2107 by title only.
Mr. Kintner reviewed the Item and went over an amendment
offered by Commissioner Maingot, regarding LDC 3.9.0 C and
when retention ponds are located in the front that they be
landscaped rather than have a fence. He said it was suggested we
put a preference in there for rotunda holly to landscape those
retention ponds. He wanted any approval to reflect that
amendment and it will be included in the Ordinance. He also went
over the impervious surface ratio changes and addressed the
concerns expressed at the first public hearing. He said all new
subdivisions are required to provide their own stormwater
management systems that address stormwater runoff at any
impervious surface ratio. As such, the actual amount of
impervious surface is essentially immaterial from a stormwater
management perspective because the project will need to be
designed, reviewed, and approved at a number specified by the
City. He said for existing properties, there will be situations where
lots that were previously limited by impervious surface ratios from
having pools, additions, etc. will now be able to increase the
amount of impervious surface coverage. This will result in an
increase in impervious surface from what was previously allowed;
but in the estimation of the City Engineer and the former Acting
City Engineer whose firm prepared the stormwater master plan,
any realistic amount of development potential would result in an
impact so small to the overall stormwater master plan that it does
not warrant any further regional study. As is the case with all
current applications, technical review by City staff will ensure that
localized impacts to adjacent properties will not occur as a result of
any site changes for properties that are already developed. He said
as the determination has been that the impact of the proposed ISR
increases on the stormwater management system will be
negligible, it will not be necessary to subject permits for pools,
sheds, additions, and other impervious surface to an additional
layer of review related to their individual impacts on the
stormwater management system. To truly impact the system, the
increase would have to be so dramatic as to be unrealistic. As
such, staff believes the review of residential projects will be
equitable and will not result in certain subdivisions being shut out
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from the benefit of the increased impervious surface ratios (except
in the rare instance where an existing home already exceeds even
the proposed allowable impervious surface ratio).
Discussion ensued and questions were asked and answered.
Mayor Durso opened the public hearing. No one spoke in favor or
opposition to the Ordinance.
Commissioner Maingot moved to close the public hearing.
Seconded by Commissioner Paris and carried by a
unanimous voice vote.
Commissioner Maingot moved to adopt Ordinance No. 16-
2107 as amended to include the added verbiage to section
3.9.0 Stormwater management C. (4) "rotunda holly the
preferred landscape material". Seconded by Commissioner
Paris.
Discussion ensued and questions about fleet vehicles and
outdoor displays/storage were asked and answered.
Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
12. REGULAR BUSINESS
A. Commissioner Weller requests a discussion on establishing a
procedure for requesting code enforcement lien reductions.
Commissioner Weller stated before starting on this discussion, he
wanted to be clear that when enforcing code enforcement fines, he
wanted to make sure the City will ultimately have tax -producing
properties that have been brought up to code. He wanted to be
certain when we are using a ten percent rule to reduce the code
enforcement fines, that the citizens of Longwood are not
subsidizing a property owner that has shirked their responsibility in
maintaining their property. He said in future agenda packages, he
would like to see a breakdown of all costs the City has incurred for
a property owner looking to have code enforcement fines reduced.
He said from the City staff costs, special magistrate costs,
attorney's costs and miscellaneous costs so when we are
considering reducing code enforcement fines, we will know what a
minimum reduction in those fines should be. He said when an
owner comes before this Commission looking for a reduction in
fines, they need to show a need. He gave an example of a property
dodging the responsibility of maintaining the property, in some
cases, for years. He said this property owner's irresponsibility
over the years has potentially affected all the other properties
around theirs that have been playing by the rules, possibly
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affecting the surrounding property owners' property value, etc. He
said then this owner comes before the Commission claiming if we
do not reduce the fines, they can't sell their property. He stated,
say the fine was $16,000, and we reduced the fine down to $1,600;
then we find that owner, we reduced the fine for, walked away
from a closing in excess of $100,000. He said in his opinion that is
a bad deal for the citizens of Longwood. If an owner is looking to
have his fines reduced, the citizens of Longwood should be able to
see how much money the owner is receiving from the sale of his
property. He said a real estate transaction typically takes place at a
title company or an attorney's office. Before an owner comes to
the Commission asking for a reduction in fines, they produce a
notarized copy of the closing statement showing what their net
proceeds will be. He said where the closing is weeks or months in
the future, attorneys and title companies can do a fairly accurate
estimate of the sale proceeds we should be able to accept and use it
to make a more informed decision on how much the fine should
be, or not reduced. He said additionally, he thinks any amount of
fine that is over the City's cost is placed in a special beautification
fund that could benefit the surrounding property owners of the City
maintained property. He said if that is not practical, then use that
money to beautify other areas of the City. He said as for buyers
looking to buy foreclosed properties and the buyer is looking to
have fines reduced for the sale to make sense, then we should treat
them differently than a negligent owner and continue to reduce
those fines as we have done in the past; taking into consideration
covering our costs and/or waiving them with the goal of having a
tax -producing property.
Commissioner Weller made a motion that requires City
staff to include all related costs in the agenda packet for
property owners looking to have the code enforcement
fines reduced. Property owners that are requesting the City
Commission to reduce their code enforcement fines present
to the Commission a notarized closing statement prepared
by the closing attorney or title company showing what the
property owner's net proceeds will be at the closing of their
property. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Sackett.
Mr. Langley asked, in circumstance where a property owner comes
forward for a lien/fine reduction when they are not actively trying
to sell their property and do not anticipate there being a closing,
that wouldn't be a requirement.
Commissioner Weller said hopefully it won't get to that point, but
if it does, we are going to have to deal with it like we are dealing
with it now. He said his goal is to keep properties up to code, and
also, they have the tax producing properties in the City, but he is
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having a real problem with property owners coming before the
Commission that are selling their property and it seems like they
always come at the last minute, and I don't believe the City is
covering our costs. He said fines are supposed to be punitive, and
we are letting people off scot-free. If there is truly a need for them
to make that sale, then prove it. We owe that to the citizens of
Longwood.
Commissioner Paris stated he does appreciate where he is coming
from. He said this comes up quite a bit, but he would like to
caution against a slippery slope here, if we start asking for property
owners to release their financials, that is a bit of a reach. He does
not think that is going to go over well with most of the businesses
and property owners in the City. Second, it is kind of a slippery
slope because now we are creating more work for staff, and they
will have to bill more work for the cost of doing this work. He
thinks what we should do is modify this a bit and have a provision
that if staff sees it is fit, they can make a recommendation that we
pursue further for large, egregious fines on large pieces of
property. He said this may be something we need to go into a little
further. He said if we are talking about a duplex on Maine that has
$30,000 in fees and just wants to sell, he doesn't know if we want
to be committing our staff to that kind of background work, and at
the same time, requesting the property owners to bring in proof of
what they are going to be making off that sale. He thinks that is a
good way of making not only business and property owners in the
City upset, and those wanting to come into the City questioning
our overreach in that information. He said he is 100 percent in
agreement that we need to consider these things moving forward,
but these fines and fees are not an income string. He said they are
a means to get a property into compliance. He understands we
need to cover our costs. He said that is why we have been
generally going down to the ten percent rule. He said maybe some
are getting off a little scot-free, but what he does not want to see
occur is a business or property not sell because we do this, and we
affect all the business around it continuously because a piece of
property does not get developed. He said if it does not get brought
back into compliance, all we have done is exacerbated the
problem. He would like to take that into consideration before we
make this vote.
Commissioner Weller commented that he agrees as far as the
businesses having a problem, but would like to consider the
business owners around the property that is not in code
compliance, and what that property is doing to those business
owners that potentially are losing customers and losing money as
far as property value because of this rundown property. He also
commented on why they have fines and the intention is to have an
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income -producing property and have the property in compliance.
He stated in order to protect the citizens of Longwood, someone
looking for the Commission to substantially reduce the fines, needs
to show a reason why.
Commissioner Maingot said he once was on the Code Enforcement
Board, and knows that these fines don't accumulate just like that.
He said the person is given every opportunity to reconcile the
situation long before the escalation occurs. He said when we have
people coming before us with such accumulated fines, they
decided they were not going to comply. He said the fines being
levied are very reasonable. When people don't see fit to make a
reconciliation of the fine, the fines just keep multiplying. He
stated just to give a ten percent reduction is not proper because we
are not really covering our costs. He has listened to both sides of
the argument, and he certainly goes along with Commissioner
Weller. He stated people expect us to correct situations when they
occur and if we have a Board, let us apply what the Board
recommends.
Commissioner Weller asked Mr. Williams when this comes in
front of the Commission, how difficult will it be to have the
information on what the City has spent.
Mr. Williams said we are going to have to keep an accounting of
our time on each one of these situations as we go forward. He
stated the change would apply to any new cases and anything that
has been on the books for some time, we will have to note when
these requests come in.
Commissioner Weller said he wants to be clear that if they come
with a closing statement, we can still negotiate because ultimately,
we want to sell the property. He said we owe it to the citizens if
we are going to be waiving substantial fines, we need to see what
they are walking away with.
Mayor Durso said he agrees in covering the City's costs, and that
is something we have needed to quantify for a while. He said what
would put him in a better position to support this is if we had a
more defined policy for it, not to just bring in the costs and we will
talk about it. He also agrees with Commissioner Paris on the
overreach of it. He said we owe the citizens the enforcement of the
law, and if bringing people into compliance is part of that, that is
fine. He said we don't owe them the entire profit off of the sale of
a property. He said while this Commission can be reasonable and
reasonably -minded toward certain things, I have been very
cautious about voting on things that can be used ten years from
now by people we don't know yet sitting up here who can
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maximize whatever we write down. He said those are real things
that can happen. He said we have been fixing things for ten years
that were done twenty years ago. He said he would be a lot more
comfortable if we asked staff to bring forward a formula and a
process. A formula that dictates exactly how much the City is
asking for service -wise, and if you want as part of the negotiation,
to add a penalty on the end, so it is the City's costs, as well as the
punitive penalty. He stated flexibility is the most important thing.
Discussion ensued on the aspect of the City's overreach asking for
a closing statement, as well as asking staff to create a process.
Commissioner Weller withdrew his motion. Deputy Mayor
Sacket withdrew his second.
Commissioner Weller moved to have City staff bring back
to the Commission a recommendation for a formula and a
process for the Commission to use when mitigating code
enforcement fines. Seconded by Deputy Mayor Sackett
and motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
B. Hear a waiver request from Mr. Leonard Nolan of Connolly's
Pub for a Temporary Use Permit (TUP O1-17) for a St.
Patrick's Day event to be held on Friday, March 17, 2017.
Commissioner Maingot moved to approve Item 12B as
presented. Seconded by Commissioner Paris and carried
by a unanimous roll call vote.
13. CITY MANAGER'S REPORT
Mr. Williams said he distributed a budget calendar with dates highlighted.
He stated we believe they will work out with your schedules. He said we
will have staff contact you to establish consensus on this calendar
timeline. If we run into any troubles, we will bring it back for a formal
agenda item at the February 20t' Commission Meeting.
14. CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT. No report.
15. CITY CLERK'S REPORT. No report.
16. ADJOURN. Mayor Durso adjourned the meeting at 7:41 p.m.
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