LPAMin04-24-86The Land Pl ann in9 Agency held tM1 air regularly scheduled meeting on Thorsday,
April 24, 1986 at ]:00 P.M, in the Longwood City Commission Chambers.
Present: Robert Hammond, Vfce Chairman Greg Me ing, Longwood Police Department
lerbert Naynie Kim Hackett, Courtesy Pontiac
Robert Lochrane Mr. Gonzales, Architect, Longwood Police
David Wickham Department
Christian Nagle, City Planner /fr. Wickham, Landscape Architect, Longwood
Geri Zambri, Dept. City Clerk Police Department
Absent: Bernard Linton
1. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Mr. Hammond.
2. Approval of Minutes: Motion by Mr. 4lickham, seconded by Mr. Haynie, to
approve the minutes of April 9, I9D6 as wrf tten. Motion carded by a unanimous
roll call vote.
3. Site Plan - Longwood Polf c_e_D_ep___amen t. Location: Vacant land lyi n9 east of
41. L - ' F1 ori�Avenue ar�d IT of Lhu rch Avenue. Applicant: Greg
Manning, Chief of Police, City of Longwood.
Mr. Wickham declared a onfl1 ci of interest due to the fact that he w s the
Landscape Architect forcthe Longwood Police Station site. 1Vr. Wickham stated be
would take no part in the discussion or ieting.as member Df the Land Planning
Agency and would partake of the discussion from the audience ae a representa tf ve
of the Longwood Police Station site plan.
Mr. Nagle asked that his comments, dated April 23, 1986 and all available staff
tents, be made a part of the record. Mr. Nagle stated there we
rections and additions that needed to be made but no inaj or probl emsome r.nNa91e
further stated that amended plans we mmediately submitted to address his co ments
Mr. Na91e asked Mr. Gonzales, Architect, if bathroom facilities and water fountains
would be handicapped ac ss ible, Mr. Gonzales replied they would. Mr. Nagle
stated the only other cmmment of substance was the requirement that hedges, s Greening
parking from property lines, need. to be 24 inches in height. Mr. Wickham, speaking
for Longwood Police site, stated that there i a grey ar n the code. He stated
that parking ar nmediately adjacent to a public right-of-way were required to
have hedges betweeni par king and right of way, however, there is oundrd are
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the south between the parking and the right of way and a retention pond oh
thea o
west be taeen the parking and the right of way and he believed it was questionable
as to whether to hedges w required. Mr. Wickham stated he believed the appli can
ould be willing to provider the hedging if the City Cammi ssion so desired. Mr.
Mannf ng stated he would provide the hedges if required.
Motion by Mr. Haynie, s conded by Mr. Lochrane, to re m lend approval of the Longwood
Police Station site plan to the City Commission subjectto staff comments and that
acted plans be submf tted thr"', staff prior to being referred to City Comm ssion.
Motion ca rigid by a three to ze vote, with Messrs. Hammon tl, Lochrane and Haynie
voting aye and Mr. Wickham abstaining due to conflict of interest. 'V
4. Special Permit - Location: Land lying on Hwy. 17-92 between Florida Avenue
and ont�g a -le AvenA p Icant: Kim Hackett. 0wner: Sam Swope. Request to
locate a temporary sate eYuntil pro-
posed Courtesy Pontiac facility is in oporation.Zon ire until—
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Mr. Wickham stated that al thougM1 he had re direct involvement with the request
on hand, is wax the Landscape Architect of record for the Courtesy Pontiac site
and believed it might be proper for him to file a conflict of interest and abstain
from voting but partake of the discussion. Mr. Wickham asked for guidance from
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the LPA. It was the co of the LPA that Mr. Ili ckham take part in the discussion
but abstain from vot ing andsfile a conflict of interest.
Nr. Nagle stated Courtesy Pontiac was requesting permission to operate their
sales of used and ne Its a temporary basis using a trailer. Mr. Nagle stated
they had r ved approval to operate sales of new and used vehicles through
Conditional c11e re led through the City Commission for their nm•, facility which
under construction but would like the ability to begin seiti ng cars from
as temporary sales office,
a 12' % 48' trailer. Reason being they wouitl like to
familiarize customers to their new location and also due to the fact that they
expecting 100 lease ca n for sales. Mr. Wickham asked Mr. Hackett when
they projected completion of the new facility. Mr. Hackett replied August 1-15, 1986.
Mr. Hackett stated the o0i entrance would be completed immediately, the temporary
sates ar would be mulched and only dead citrus trees would be removed. Mr.
Hackett stated the temporary sales r
a would be totally removed from the co -
Itr,cside site. Mr. Haynie asked if trailer office would be re oved one the
site was c,pl eted? Mr. Wickham suggested it be re oved at is e of Certificate
of Occupancy for the ne site. Mr. Hackett stated at the end ofa,i months o
e of C.D., whichever is first. He stated the request for the temporary
sales n.ffice and ar only until the new facility is completed. It was stated
that the Board of Adjustment had the power to grant an additional s ionth extension
if requested. Mr. Hackett stated the sales and display arewould be approximately
250 feet across the front and 100 feet deep. Mr. Wickham asked if this b,I ould
conflict with any proposed use on the north 1/2 of the property. Mr. Hackett stated
nothing they would do would conflict it
their o es t. Mr. Haynie asked
haw many ca would be stored on the site. Mr. Ha ckette s tatad between 50 and 75.
Discussion ensued regarding toilet facilities and whether temporary septic or
holding tank be used. Mr. Hackett was questioned as to handicapped ac ssi billty
to the sales ofii ce. He stated it would be made accessible for handicapped.
Motion by Mr. Haynie, seconded by Mr. Lochrane to re m od approval of the
request for temporary sales of used cars from a trailer, requested by Mr. Hackett,
to the Board of Adjustment with the stipulation that a 200 gallon holding tank
be permitted on the trailer io lieu of a septic tank and that the use be permitted
far o m of a si month period. Mr. Lochrane suggested that the motion might
state mthItufunctional toilet facilities be provided in lieu of e septic tank
and that a construction fence (wire) be installed to separate the construction
rea from the sales a Mr. Wickham made a motion to amend the original motion
to include the statement that functional toilet facilities be provided in lie, of
septic tank and that a w ons traction fence be installed to separate the
onstruction area from the sales a . Amendment to motion seconded by Mr. Lochrane.
Motion and amendment to motion ca ried by o three to zeovote, with Messrs.
Lochrane, Haynie, and Hammond voting aye and Mr. W ickhamabstaining due to a con-
flict of interest.
5. Variances. Location: Land 1 i on Nw 1]-92, north side of Florida Avenue,
Lots 2 and I1 Entaminger Farms Dplican C: Kim acke tt. wner. am
ape, eH quest (or variances to s,gn�s�C-1.
Mr. Nagle asked that his m o dated April 21, 1986 be made a part of the r ord.
Mr. Nagle stated that there were a total of nine va relating to advertising
Intl asked that the LPA deal with each v individually. Mr. Hammond asked
Mr. Hackett why it was necessary to requeetn the va iance5. Mr. Ilackett stated
Land Planning Agency -3- April 24, 1986
General Ma to rs s rveys the property and sends the require ... for signs to the
dealer. He stated GM requires the dealer to meet their specifications for signs
and will supply the building department with the engineering drawings for the
signs. Mr. Hackett further stated that the height of 3V is fixed Hel9Ht for
to 245 sq. ft. si 9 n. Mr. Hackett stated that the sign numbered as N4 is the
sign he is urren tly using at his present facility. Mr. Lochrane questioned
PAr. Hacke ttcas to whether he had requested va es from Gm from their regulations.
He further asked if Mr. Hackett had asked GM itI,,would allow him to cut down
the signs. Mr. Hackett stated GM states they cannot makes"', i any other
dimensions than what is offered.- either take what they offer or nothing.
Mr. Nagle suggested that Mr. Hackett bring a letter to the Board of Adjustment from
GM stating he had requested o va ce to their requirements and that GM denied
III request -and that they requi ref the si signs being requested. Mr. Wickham
stated that ff owner is not inducing his sown hardship hd GM is requiring, it could
change the situation. Mr. Hackett stated that GM offered Wo tin signs, a 137
cq trol led9 thenwa ll(fas cQa ft. sfgn, free standing. Mr. Naq le asked ff GM also
I Mr. Hackett replied no Mr. Nagle stated
there could be a possible compromise between the wall signs and the freestandi n9 signs.
Mr. Hackett stated be could re e of the wall signage. Mr. Wickham asked
if the dealer (Mr. Hackett) decided' to meet city code, would GM allow the dealer
to go out and build his o si9 ns. Mr. Hackett replied n Mr. Haynie stated
the City would be se ttingwa precedent if they allowed on omebe, conpany to set
their own sf signs. Mr. Nagle stated he agreed, but stated each va a should
be evaluatedzindi dim.,
us f nth. sf criteria in the State Statute rf aMr. Na91e
stated in most instances if the City holds firm the company will pull another design
out of their hat.
Motion by Mr. Haynie, seconded by Mr. Lochrane, t...... impend approval to the Board
o{ Adj us6ae nt of the va request for the corprate si 9n of 245 sq, ft, upon
presentation and documentation of a letter from General Motors stating they will
nut allow a re of any kind from the 245 to. ft. si 9n and that they would
not permit the dbelership to have anytM1i ng less than the 245 sq. ft. sign.
Motion ca ried by a three to ze vote, with Messrs. Hyammo anie, Hnd and Lochrane
voting aye and Mr. Wickham abstaining due to a conflict of interest.
Motion by Mr. Haynie, seconded by Mr. Lochrane, to amend the motion to re mend
approval to the Board of Adjustment to the va beby Mr, lia ckett for
all the _-'ir d General Motors sfgn' upon presentation and documentation of a letter
from General Motors stating they will not allow o va a of any kind "" their
required signs and that they would not permit the dealership to have agything less
I— what GM requires. Motion as mended berried by a three to ze vote, with
Messrs. Hammond, Lochrane and Haynie vot1 n9 aye and Mr. Wickham abstaining due to
a conflict of interest.
Mr. Lochrane asked III. Hackett to give a good re n why his business requires s
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ei'page. a Mr. Hackett stated the City c,desba sad sq. feet
a9e of signage on
e of building. Flr. Hackett stated His entire lot is h'is display ar He stated
i tzis imperative that people know his establishment is there. Mr. Nagle stated
the need for o va n thefaeI,b signs could be eliminated if the total of the
two facia signs was reduced to 400 sq. ft.
Motion by Mr. Lochrane, seconded by Mr. Haynie, to re mmend approval to the Board
of Adjustment of the varfance for thefasc is signs as requested on the basis that
it appears to be co istent with the type of sig'aHo for that type of establishment 1
n the ar Moti onsca rf etl by a three to zerovote with Messrs. LOCHrane, Haynie
and Hammond voting aye and Mr. Wickham absto f n i ng due to a conflict of interest.
M . Hackett agreed to ve the pole sfgn be the co r of Florida and Hwy. 17-92 out
If to visual trfan9lemand therefore no varfance fs needed.
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6. Additional Oi scus lion Items.
A. Recommendations for changes/additions to regulations For sales of vehicles,
conve nre nce stores, car washes and gasoline filling stations.
Mr. Na91e Stated he had re arched Orlando and Seminole County's regulations and
the performance standards within their codes were not defined much better than
the City already has. He stated he would have to re arch Further to co e op
with same better standards. It was mentioned that the City Lomm1ss ion could however
impose m stringent conditions than IiSted in the codes as long as the uses were
listed as conditional uses.
Notion by I Wickham, 5 conded by Mr. Haynie, to re mmend that co stores
and ca washes be made Conditional within the permitted zoning district enand also
drive-in facilities and that co e stores breno e ved as a perm tted use rn
the L-1 zoning district. No tv ionca-- by a unanimous roll call vote.
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