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July 10, 1965
the Land Planning Agency M1eld its re9wl arly scheduled meeti n9 at ]:30 P.11, on
Jvly 10, 1985 in the Longwood City Loimn iss1on Chambers:
Present: Herbert Haynie, Chairman
Robert Hammond
Bernard Linton
Emery 1leineke
David IJi ckham
Chris Nagi e, City P1 anner
Geri Zambri, Recording Sec retery
1. The meeti n9 was called to order by Chairman Haynie at J:30 P.11.
T. AOprovai of Minutes of June 26, 1085 1leeti nq: Motion by Mr. Ilic kham, s condetl
by Mr. Hammond to approve the Minutes of the June 26, 1985 meeting as written.
Motion carried by a una ntmous roll call vote.
3. Conditional use Request - East Longwood Joint Venture -Request for Ilhgl wale
Outlet and Distribution Bu sr ne itH pares g as showLocation: East side of
t]-92, opposite Longwood take South shoppi nq Len ter. Owner: Roger L. Jablonski.
APplican t: East Longwood Joint Venture.
Mr. Na91e stated his comments dated 6-24-05 and ]-5-85 would be made a part of the
card. Mr. Na91e presented the Conditional Use request stating the request was for
combined use of office/sales/storage -storage directly supporti n9 the office/sales.
The request also r~vested that parking as shown on the plan be permitted. Ne
further expia i ned that the pa rkf ng wa ered by a joint use a0 reement between
three parcels and that this a9 reementsal so co ered drat nag e, atilt ti es and landsca pi n9.
He stated that the two parcels immediately south of the proposed site had approved
site pi ans and were part of the joint agreement. He further stated that the subject
parcel i also be in9 considered for an on into the Li ty, and at the developer's
request,swas contingent upon site pi annapproval.
He stated that two parking spaces left of the driveway do not meet Oarki ng requirements
far length and location. He stated it was unclear as to whether these spaces ar
shown i rror or are bet nq requested for approval as part of the conditional use
reques to e
Mr. Na91e suggested that the LPA el Cher recanmend to City Commi sson YhaY the
Conditional Ilse be qra nted far a period of £i ve years, which would allow the City,
at the end of thfs period, to evaluate how well the conditional a rorked, o
mmend approval of the Conditional Use as requested with no time limit andrreq ui re
thatpropos ed us will be law traffic ge era tors and monitor the uses by occupational
license revs ew and on a complaint basis. n
Mr. Na91e Further sugg es ted that the co nec ti on between the proposed can ci al center
and the parcel adjacent on the north no{ be allowed and that the parcel torthe north
not be allowed to utilize the proposed commerc iel site for parking.
Recannendati on: Conditional Ilse be approved with parking a shDr,n with the under-
standing that the propo setl an ant of s0ace devoted to office be no re than the 60%
shown with the regal rament Lhat all tenants be Iqw traffic genera tor.
Mr. David Bouc k, engineer for the pro,jec t, stated the three revisions requested as
per a prior LPA meeting had been clarified, (1) buf ldi ng size t], 500 sq_ t.,
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~. addi tional aloadi ngezone had been added. Olr. 6ouck further added that he believed
that the developer would aq ree to rem ve the two parking spaces that do not meet
Li ty code. Mr. Bouck stated that the existing cross use agreanents are legally
recorded in Seri note Lounty records.
Mr. Nagle presented [ten 4. on the Agenda, Site P1 an for East Longwood Lmmerc ial
Tenter an state tat most o t e camnents ave Ben Tken care of
Recoimnendation: Assuming alt corrections are made as regvi red, site plan should
be recommended for approval.
Mr, tlic kham sta tetl that the landscaping still did not meet all the code requirements
and asked that these co recta ons be svhni tted to staff, also ac north
property tine should berc los ed off usi rig a landscape hedge or barn erca nd sa
landscape island should be provided i order to break up the expanse of pav inq.
Mr, Bouck agreed Co provide a landscape island and barrier as requested.
Moticn by !ir. Linton, s onded by Mr. Harmond to r end approval of the East
Longwood Lammerci al center site plan as pre sentetl with sti put atf ons that all
nments be addres setl and acceptable to staff prior to submission to the City
loom asst on end specifi cel ly that Item k6, Ci Cy Planner's letter dated July 5, 1985,
be addressed and acceptable to the City Engineer, that the developer establish a
buffer or barrier on north side of the site, that landscaping be resudni tted to
Bet code, and r salve the questien of the two pa r ki n9 spaces in question. Hption
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
Motion by Mr. Wickham, s conded by Mr. Linton to re mend tbat the Conditional
Ilse requested by the East Longwood Joint Venture becapDroved with stipulations that
Floor area for office/sales not exceed 604 of the original gross floor area of the
building that proposed and future tenants be low traffic generators only, and that the
Conditional Nse be granted £or a period cf five years. Moticn carried by a unanimous
roll call vote.
5. Prel im ina rv Plan - hidden Oak Estates. Location: S of Longwood Hilts Road and
East o lest Lake. on in9: geve oiler: Centex Ndnes of Fl prida, loc.
Mr. Nagle stated the following:
His cmments, dated July 5, 19II5 would be made a part of the record.
The preliminary plan is intended to serve as a preliminary plat for the proposed
subdivision.
The infonna tion normally required has not been su bet tted, but what has been sub-
mitted i sufficient to make a recwnmendati on as to whether the co cept is
acceptable.
Hr. Nagle sta tetl that this tract of land was one of the last rem ni ng large tracts
of residential property in the Li ty. Ne sta tetl a private re reation ar as planned
which fronts on (lest Lake. !1r. Nagle stated there is a lackcof public park space and
expecial ly on any of Che lakes in the Li ty. He stated all of the take Front property
has been developed or va tely. Mr. !lagle referenced Minter Park, with both private
~ hames~edco public Dark with boat ramp a ess on the lakes and Bugg es ted that perhaps
the s cept could work in Longwepd c
He also asked Centex to provide the City with a copy of the proposed deed restrictions
s to what the w rva ti on ar n be used for and who will maintain it. Ne
stated ten tex ha snsta tetl that thecco rva tion area will he maintained by the Home-
s' AS SOC tattoo and spgges ted tha teanq Ch er option would be to make it a public
conservation, passive recreation area which would p rmit other people to use it.
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He explained passive re rea lion as bet n9 nature walks, pi cni ckirg, etc. Mr.
Na 91e s tad the major i whether o t the LPA r ends to Che City
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Canmi ssi on that Centex providyadequa to publ
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for the ar a adjacent to Best Lake. He stated the is ue becomes controversial ~
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n that tFe developer i as ki n9 the city to m iota in the roads and the drat nage
system but is as ki nq tFat the natural a and the park rcm n private for the us
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of the homeowners only, lie further stated that under the suhtli vi si on ordinance,
it is uP to the LPA to confer with the tlevel oper as to whether or not public open
space and recrea lion la nds will be required. Mr. Nagle further stated that whether
private or public, the land shown as a park, apProx ima to ly 1/R ac would not be
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adequate to accomnod a to the sl e of the development.
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that ba sad
o cent survey, san cities require that a developer set aside
5$ of the 9rq ss land area'for public parks or a donation of a fee equal to 5% of
the fair market value of the site land values. He stated that 5% of the gross
land area would be desirable, but a comprgnise could be reached.
hlr. Linton stated that he agreed that the City had not set aside enough park ar
er the years but did not believe that the Li ty should impose such a harsh penalty
for those who develop last.
A variance was discussed raga rdi ng the 12 lots which do not meet the required 25'
front setback for structure. Reason for variance is due to the necessity to keep
the house pad out of the flood plain.
Mr, Na91e suggested that the LPA consider req ues ling that the developer donate
adtli ti onal lands for the park, Lots fib, 6] and 68, which would be approximately
an acre and one half devoted to a park, or 2 1/2% of the total h4 acres.
Mr. Ilenni9a n, President of Centex Homes, sta ted~ he Fad no knows edge that the Li ty
wa n tetl a public park and he aq reed with Mr. Linton that the last to develop should -
not Fave to pay the price. Mr. He nn i9an stated he would cgnply with the 23 items
listed on Nr, Nagl e's letter, however, Fe was opPOSed to Item kl as Fe did not
believe this was the proper place for a public park
Mr. Mei make asked if there wa a hydraulic co nection between East and West Lake.
Mr. Martin, Engineer on the project, stated there wa not and if the City desired
to have a co nection, it would have to be initiated and maintained by the City as
per Si. Johns River Ida ter Management Hf stric t.
Mr. Linton asked if the county had been contacted regards n9 ingress/egress onto
Longwood Nilis Road. Mr. Martin stated they have compii ed with ail of Seminole
County's requirements.
Mr. 1la rtin also stated that the natural area and park area would be maintained by
the haneowner's association.
Nr. Nnward Winner and Mr. Ray Anastasia indicated co regard i n9 dra inage. Mr.
artin stated each drainage will have i n ponds chat when
it ra s, the water will discharge slowly intthree directions. Mr.vMa rtin stated the
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has approved their storm water system and Wyer Riddle Milts & Precourt
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will r ew the cal cola ti qns also. Mr. Nap1e ste led that much of the preliminary
work ha s~been done and final approval i subject to final r and approval of
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the final drat nage calculations when suhmi tied. He fur ther
end ORMbP have basically approved the drainage system, He 4u r ther stated that
Centex c not be made to rectify ex is ti no flood conditions if they n w e is t, they
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<an only be required to make improvements due to their development.
Mr. 8i 11 Noebel, Director of Parks and Recreation for the City of Longwood, spoke
in favor of a public park area bet nq dedicated within the Nidden Oak Subdivision
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and also requested that the park area be larger. Mr. Ili cl:ham stated he agreed
with all 2A points on Mr. Nagle's letter and also stated that he greed the park
/~ s toP small. Mr. Ha91e asked the developer if the homeowners' docmnents would
r all maintenance and in ce for the natural a the park and the
retention ar Mr. NenniPa nrrepli e0 yes and they ~wuld he recorded doc~enents to
with theel and. Mr. Na91e stated the City would require that these docmnents
bensubni ited For revs era with the final plan.
Motion by Itr. Linton to re amend approval of the Preliminary plan tar Nidden Oaks
F.sta tes and draw attentions to Section ]O3.] of Ordinance Nn. 495 for the City
Lormissi on's action on the park ar It was brou9 ht to I4r. Li nton'S attention
by Mr. Nagle that it was the LPA'sduty to confer wi tN the developer regardi n9
aPPropria lion of park areas. Plr. Linton withdrew his motion.
Hoti on by Mr. Linton to re amend aPPro~al of the Drel imi na ry plan for Hidden Oak
Estates as presented subject to the 24 items listed in Mr. Ilagl e's letter being
nc laded in the Final plan sudni scion and further that the La ntl Pl annin9 Agency
make a mmendati on to the City Lanmission regardi n9 Section ]03.], Ordinance
No. g95recMOti on seconded by Mr. Nickham, Motion carried by a unanlmous roll call
vote.
tlotion by 11r. Linton to re mend approval of the preliminary plan for the Hidden
Oak Estates as presented subject to all the items in Mr. fla9l e's letter with the
eoti on of Iton 1. Seconded by Mr. Me ineke. Mr. Li ntan emended his motion tD
encl ode that the park shorin on the plat would be maintained a and
deeded W the Homeowners' Association, Amended motion secondedaby Mr.ntle ine ke.
Motion carried by e four to one vo to with Mr. Mei neke, Mr. Linton, Mr. Hammond
r and Mr. Haynie voting ye, and Mr. Ilic kham vo ti n9 nay, Mr. Flickham sta tetl he
believed the park should r n private, however, he did object t0 the size based
Dn local and national parka sta ndards.
Hr. tla9le asY.ed the LPA if the natural area should remain private or pobl ic.
Ho tf on by Mr. Wickham, s conded by Mr. Linton, to re mend that the natural a
and an expo nded Dark ron n Pr'iva to and under the jurisdiction of the Homeowners'
As snc is tion, in perpetuity. He further stated that his motion did not preclude
the City Lanmi scion frm asking for compensa tort' fees to be used £or Parks and
Recreation. Mr. 4lic kham amended his motion to delete the word "expanded:'. Mr.
Linton seconded Mr. IYic kham's amended motion. Motion carried by a unanlmous
roll call vote.
Notion by Mr. Ilickham that the nei9 hhorhood park be expanded to approximately one
acre. Motion died for the lack of a second.
ltr. PIa91e asked I1r, Martin to explain to Mr. Henn i9an that the LPA voted to re mend
approval of the prel im tnary plan to include the items in his letter, with the can
xceP tion of item 1, that the park and natural a n private and under the
jurisdiction of the Ho that the park re nrthe sa e, however,
ompensatory fees far Paorksecould be requested frpn the developer. Mr. Na91e s led
the preliminary plan would be brou9 ht before the Li ty Lamiscion for their review.
6. Towns hi Plea za ,Pha se 1[I, Office/Retail. Location: S side of SR 434, inmetli ately
west of Rax. Zoni nq 7-2.T1anZ-O s e-Flan C=3. Developer: Alvin Lei imam, Township
r Plaza.
Mr. Nagle stated that Towns NiP Plaza Phase [li wa substantially approved based on
a phased develDgnent. Ne stated the proposed site would be a retail and office
two story bpildi n9. approx imete1y 11,160 sq. ft.
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Mr. tJa91e stated he reque s tetl mo information from the developer than has been
provided and that his carvnen ts, dated July 5, 1985, which will be made a part of
the record, have not yet been resot ved. Mr. Lei bnen referenced [Cen 5 of Mr.
Nagle letter and stated that 55 spaces were provided, two of which were compact
r spaces. Mr. Nagle stated that based on the Grandfather clause. this would be
permi tied
Mr. Nagle referenced Item ] of his letter and stated that the Police Chief has
regves ted that the developer reali Gn and extend the existing curbing and double
stripe the driveway between Rax and Pic and Save. Mr. Nagle stated that pRM&P
have requested that the final drainage calculations be approved prior to the plan
bet n9 presented to Li ty Commission for final approval. Mr. Nagle questioned the
i sti nq water line under the proposed boil ding. Mr. Pfl ueger, engineer for
Toim ship Plaza, stated the water line will be rerouted. It wa al sq pointed out
that the radius of the driveway on the southeast corner of then propgs ed site is
not wide a uph. Mr. Lei 4nan aq reed to make ail of the changes as requested.
Mr, Haynie requested that as-built drawings be provi detl by the developer when the
site is completed.
Motion by Mr. Linton to lend approval of the Township Plaza, Phase ![I, plan
as presented .subject to thepco rec ti on of alt of the foil owl nG liens as we 11
s all staff camnen is bet nq approved by staff, further that all requested cha noes
to the existing driveways as per the Police fh ief, incl udi nq the turn radius on
the south east corner of proposed site have been engi neer inq properly and that
a detailed land sca pi nq pl do M1as been su ~i tied tq and approved by staff. Motion
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
]. Fieeti n9 adjourned at 1p:45 PM
ri Zambri, peputy City Clerk
City of Longtwod, Florida
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