LPAMin09-25-85LAND PLANNING AGENCY
September 25, 1985
Present: Herbert Ilaynie Bernie Martin and Andy Nennig an,
Robert Hanmond Centex Homes Enterprises, Snc.
Fmery Mei neke Philip Hollis, Nelson Court
Da vitl 4lickham Michael Craig, Sa nlando ShopPi n9 Ctr.
Christian Nagle, City Planner Bruce Bail finger, Ov erheatl Door
Geri Zambri, Deputy City Ci erk Dick IJil i lams and Don Plfl ue9 er,
Vli idmere Office
Absent: Bernard Linton Ken Oswald, Jim Zer kel and Harry
Reynolds, Plaza Del Soi
Charles .lords n, Vi tic Investmen is
~epr esenta tiv es of Dyer, fti dal e, Mil is
and Precourt.
1. Itr. Haynie calla the meeting to order at ]:3D P.M.
2. Approval of Mf notes: Motion by Mr. Vlic kham, s conded by Mr. Hammond to
approve the Minutes of the September 4, 1985 ilorksessi0n as written and to
delay the approval of the Minutes of the September il, 1985 Meetf ng until later
in the meeting. Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
Motion by Mr. Hammond, s conded by Mr. ill ckham to se.t a time limit for the meeti nq
of 10:00 PM and to continue the re w of any site Plans/applications not canpl eted
this evening until next Wed nesday,vOctgber 2, 1965, ]:30 P.M..
3. Variance Request Centex Hanes Ent~erp_ s Inc. Variances requested on pro-
~' pose3- obi throuq~M1 1 and 64 through E7 inethe proposed Hidden Oaks Subdivision
fran the required 25 foot setback to a 20 foot setback. Location: south side of
Longwood Hills Road, east of West Lake. Zoni nn P-1. PII 10-]-85.
Mr. Nagle explai netl that the Hidtl en Oaks Subdivision was between preliminary and final
plat stage and he betf ev etl the applicant is req ues Ling the variances in order to
keep the houses out of the lOD year Flood area. Mr. Nagle reccmmentletl that the
LPA evaluate the request based on the State's criteria for granting a
Mr. Nagle asked that his conments dated September 20, 1985 be made a partlofc the
cord, Mr. Nagle re amended that Lot 61 not be granted a s it was not
sary in order tockeep the house out of the flood pl ai n. vMr~aNagle suggested
the tsif the subdivision was laid out siiq htly different perhaps va would
not be ne sary. Mr. 6e role Martin, 8,111 Associates, Engineer onrthetproj ect
expl ai nedcthat the road was laid out as shown on the plan in ortl er to preserve
the large oaks nn the land and also to in re that the road did not have a dangerous
e, by winding around the trees. Mr. Wickham asked when the road was put in
would the fill kill the Yrees. Mr. Martin stated the road was designed to keep the
existing grade in order to save the trees.
Motion by Mr. Hammond, s conded by Mr. Wickham to recmvnend approval of the va
requested by Centex Homes, with the exception of Lot 61 aM require conpensa Ling as tor-
s provided and that efforts are made to save the trees. Motion carried by
a unanimous roll tail vote.
6. Final Plat - Nelson Court Subdivision - Owner/Developer: Superior Construction
/~ Lo., Snc. Coca ti on: South of Bist fine Ave., west side of fa st Street. Zoning R-1
Mr. Na91e asked that his comments dated Sep tenber 26, 1985 and DRM&P comments, 9/25/RS
tie made cart of the recoN.Mr. Nagle recommended that the final cons trot tf on
plans be re omnended for approval subject to his comments and those of DRM&P and
that the plans be revised before being submitted to the Li ty Cammi ssion for final
approval.
Land Planni nq A9 ency -2- September 25, 1985
Mr. Hollis stated he had reviewed all the comments and had no prob7 en with any
of then. Nr. Hollis and the representatives of DRMBP discussed the dra ina9e and
Mr. Hollis asked representatives from DRMBP if stonnwa ter stage/storage cal cul ations~
would be required to be sudni tted. Mr. Farid Ta nill of DRMBP replied yes. Mr.
Hollis stated he would work with DRMBP to resolve any probl ens. Mr. Na91e thanked
the representatives of DRMBP for attends n9 the meets nq and for getting the comments
~n so pranptl y.
Motion by Mr. Wic k halo, s tondetl by lfr. Mei neke to re ommend approval of the
Nelson Court final Dl ans t0 the City Canmi scion andcthat the staff and pRNBP
handle all tM1e final mod'if ica ti ons before submi tti nq the plans to the City
Conlmi scion for final approval. Flotipn carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
5. Site Plan - Sa nl ando Shopping Center - Owner/Developer: B/P pevel opment and
Ma nag enen t, Inc. Location: SE cor r Of SR43C and Savage Lourt. Zoning L-3.
Mr. Nagle asked that his co manic ofe8eptember 23, 1985 and DRMBP comments dated
Septan bar 19, 1985 be made a part of the record. Mr. Nagle stated this nas the
cond re ew by the LPA of the Sanl ando Shoppi nq Center and that it was a good
plan all a ound and that the is regards nq Mr. Brown's ea anent to his home
s bet nq resolved between the Bqwli ng Alley, pr. Savage, and the Sanlandq people.
Mr. Nagle also stated that an ement was needed for the Longwood Util itf es
Company se er line on the property. Mr. Nagle suggested that the applicant be
requested to prov itle larger trees than required by Ordinance as the rem vat of
the trees on their site a few months ago led to the City Commission adopting the
Arbor Ordinance. Mr. Nagle requested 10' or 12' trees be provided. Mr. Nagle
nmended that the plan be approved subject to co rections in his letters and
also obtaining additional c en is renardi n9 placement of traffic si9 ns. Mr.
Nagle stated [he Police papa rLnent had commented on the prior plan but he wa n tetl
erifica tion fran then raga rdi ng the re iced plan. Mr. lli ckham stated the
l andscapi n9 w nqt up to code and asked where the landscaping for the Wag's
site wa sM1Owns Michael Craig stated Lhat Vlag'S would submit their land steps ng
plans separately. Mr. Nagle stated there appeared to be a drat nage problem
n that flooding oc rred on the re r of the bowl in9 alley parking tot and
on the back of Savage Court. He stated that Savage Lourt was privately owned
and perhaps the ow could check out the problem. Mr. Lraig stated the street
was above the 100 year flood and that perhaps the catch basin needed to be cleaned.
Motion by Mr. Wickham, s conded by Mr. Mei ne ke to re ercnend approval of the
Sa nlando Shopping Centeresi to plan with Li ty staff to finalize final modifications
with the tlevel oiler prior to bet n9 submitted to City Crnmissi on also with the
stipulations that Police Department re mnend approval of the plan, that all
en CS of OWfBP ar met, tM1et all the 1A` parking stalls be re wed to as
regpi red, that fi nal iia tion of in ass/egre ss for Mr. Brownure
nos totally resolved and approved by City Attorney Fefore existing ea anent is
abandoned, that (lags submits their landscape plan to as e it is compliance
with the landscape ordf na nce, that the Savage Court drainage is explored
o that it will not affect the drainage on this site and that astwo Ito on
repl acelrent of trees, for exists n9 trees t0 be re Quad, i ommended. Mo ti On
ri ed by a roll call vote. Mr. Wickham amendede his motion to
say that the treesmtoabe planted should be a m of 8' hf gh with a 2 1/2"
caliber trunk. Amended motion seconded by Mrm~Hanmiond. Amended motion carried
by a unanimous roll call vote.
6. Site Plan Dverhead Door Lo. Owner: Aruce Ballinger. Developer: Ni-Tech y_
Constructs on~Soca tion: West side of Bennett Drive. Zoning I-2.
Land Pla nni n9 Rgency -3- September 25, 19II5
Mr. Na91e asked that hfs co en CS de Ced Septmlber 6, 1985 and DRMLP comments
dated Sep Cenber 30, 1985 bemnade a part of the record. Mr. Nagle stated the
applicant had re 'sad the entire drat nage scheme, prior plan had 100X storage on
site where the re ised plan has a outfall. Mr. Nagle stated DRMBP questioned
the feasibility o9 m in9 a 6' high berm a and the retention a Mr.
Nagle re mended approval not the site plan pending the applicant andestaff
esol vi ng the beck vp distance on the first two pa rki n9 stet l s. and Subject to
his comments and commen is of pRMLP. Mr. Gal ling er stated that the backup
distance minimums would not apply as this wa e private driveway not a public
right of way. Mr. Wickham stated the driveway aisle was only 20' wide and code
required it be 25` wide. Mr. Wickham noted DRMBP letter, item 6.8. regarding
e of retention ar Mr. Bal l in9er stated the or iqi nai plan shgwned a
future but ld in9 and retention for ho th the proposed and Future boil di nq and he
asked to res uhmit another site plan when the other building was being Planned
tosbe built. Mr. Nagle suggested that the retention pond be s'z ed to ac ommodate
both boil di ng s. Mr. Nagle stated that OR11RP preferred the ori9 final retention
pond, Mr. Ball in9er stated he would use the original retention layout if preferred.
Motion by Mr. Wickham, s conded by Mr. Hammond, to re amend approval of the
Overhead Door site plan to the City Caimi ssion and tFai any modifications as noted
by City staff, Land Pl anal nq Agency, DRMLP, etc. be M1a ntll ed by staff prior to
be inq submitted to the City Cmmf ssion, with sped al notice to the 25' wide
driveway requirenen t, item B.B. of DRMLP letter, noting pond will have to be
expa nded, by of s choice, either no r when additional building is Put on
the site. Motion carried by a unani mousoroll call vote.
I. Site Pian - Ilil dnere Office Center. Owner/Developer: Dick 4li it tams, Stonewood
Dave opnen inc, cation: pprox ima Lely 250' east of Cft42], between liildmere
Avenue and tOVers treat. Zoni nq C-2.
Mr. Nagle asked that his comnen is dated September 23, 1985 and DRMLP comments dated
September 20, 1985 be made a Oa rt of the record. Mr. Nagie stated that subject
to co rections requested by DRMLP and himself and Li ty En9 ineer, and the engineer's
esol ving slopes on retention pond, he re mmended that the plan be approved
and passed on to the City Cammi ssion, with all modifications to be handled by
staff. Mr. Wickham stated there w e foot e n the len9 tM1 of the property.
Mr. Hammond stated it ap0eared tha tstne Pop off fromrthe retention pond goes
down Overstreet.fnto Lhurch Pa rkin9 lot . He further stated that water stands
rig ht there no Mr. Nagle sug9 ested that the City Engineer re and make a
ammenda tionwregard i ng this is ueprior to apProvai of the P1 ansW Mr. Flei neke
questioned secondary ingress/e9re ss to boil di n9. Mr. Pfl ue9 er sta tetl the arc hi tec Ural
drawl nqs wouttl show the secondary ingress/egress. Mr. Nagle asked if parking
spaces would be lost. Mr. Pflueg er said he did not believe so.
Motion by fir. lli ckham, s conded by Mr. 1lei neke to re emend approval of the
Wiidmere Site plan as suMli tied with the following c mments: that Li ty staff
ants and DRMLP tom en is be addressed and c0 ratted before plan is submitted
o City Cemission a well as the g dneMy o site plan being checked to a
there is ssi to or layoute that aura sad curb be installed at parking
star at o~in e~trante, tnat an dra; nage is mentioned as wen as DRMLP
men is and road cmmnents be addressed prior s tosbei ng sent to City Commission
Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
8. Site P1 an - Plaza Del Soi Retail Stores. Owner/Developer: Schrims her
Na nag amen t, Inc. oca ti on, side o R 434, E side of Ila rbour Isle Way. Zoni n9 C-3.
Land Pla nninq Agency -4- September 25, 1985
Pir. Nagle asked tM1at his camnen is dated September 23, 1985 and ORMBP comments
dated October B, 19b5 be made a part of tFe record. Mr. Nagle stated the City
Pttprney M1ad ruled that the glass fronted 'uteri or corridor does count toward 1
the overall floor area and would require 32 more parking spaces. The applicant -
has therefore deci tled to reduce the overall foor area fn order to retain the
interior corridor and still provide the required n bar of spaces by code. He
stated the revised plan indicating this change would be submitted. Mr. Nagle
stated a letter Oran OER rpardi n9 their jurisdictional line was still required
and a sta tan ant on the plan that no development will be done within OER's juris-
dictional a a is required. He further stated that a letter from the City En9 i near
needed rega rdi ng proposed pa vi n9 of rear utility ea Went. Mr. Nagle stated
heswas of the understanding that no Daving would be allowed, however, the
aDPl icant stated he was told by the City Engineer that he will allow pout n9
if a "hold harmless agreement" was given to the City. Mr, flag le stated another
as the 6' wide landscape buffer al onq re r of building. Ne stated that
thecordi na nce requires a un of a 10' wide buffer. He also suggested that
the applicant provide so entrees within this buffer area, paint the wall and plant
es to grow on the block wall. Mr. Nalge re onmended approval of the Dl an
toni ncl vde all comments stated or written and to be brought back tq staff with
rectiq ns required prior to 9o inq to City Commission. Mr. Ken Oswald, Attorney
representi n9 Jack Sc hrim Sher, stated he would like to attempt to address the
matters ra setl. He stated his client chose to reduce the s~ e of the building
to comply with the parking requi ranents, the letter frwn OEA will be available
day after tomorrow and will be delivered to the City, will indicate on
plan OER juri sdi ctionai line and sta tare nt that no development will o
that ar Subject to OER's re9 ula ti ons. Mr. Oswald further stated the tuhi sn
client was attanpti ng to conf inn the verbal sta tenant by the City Engineer to
his arc M1i tact regarding pemissi on to pave over the eas ant and stated the urgency
of getting confirmation on thfs is He further stated that his client was '~
willing to work with the City regard in9 the buffer and wall, and would paint CM1e
wall and plant vines, if required, and locate tree planting arranq ements in the
buffer ar Mr. Oswald stated the representatives of Plaza Oel Sol w re here
to an erethose questions that the Board has in order to proceed on toeCi ty
Commission for final resolution, Mr. Na91e stated he wanted to make clear that
the adtli tional landscaping a reques tetl wa not a requi renen t, but a request.
Mr. IJi ckham questioned if a tree survey had been submitted. Mr. Nagle stated
Mr. Reynolds said on n progress. 11r. Zerkel stated the sf to consisted of
2 1/2' to 3' scrub oa ksaantl pines and they would be losing same of them but tFat
their landscaping will supercede tFem.
Mr. Nagle re mended that the plan be approved subject to alt staff comments and
his cdanentscda tetl September 23, 1985, ORMWP comments dated August 8, 1985 and
with a request that City Engineer resolve question of the Paving of the ea lent
and that staff review corrected plans and re mend approval prior to beingesub-
mftted to Lf ty La~f scion. Mr. Oswald a5kedethat their project not be del eyed
apy longer and asked that the motion not include the stipulation that the question
of the paving of the e ant be r solved prior to being submitted to ti ty Cd~i scion
and that they would provide a "Fold hanniess aq reement" for the paving of the
ment that would meet the requirements of 11r. Korman. Motion by Mr. Hammond,
conded by Mr. Mei ne ke to re mend approval of the Plaza Nel Sol site plan
subject to Mr. Plagi e's conmen is dated September 23, 1985, alt staff comments and
ORMFP comments dated August e, 1985 and that staff review corrected plans and
rnmend approval prior to being submitted to City Comni scion. Nr. Wf ckham made
emotion to amend the motion on the floor to include a stipulation to re omnend pia nt ~
material. specifically tFe trees, be replaced with 10' to 12', 2 1/2" caliber trees.
Amen~nent to motion seconded by Mr. Hammond. Motion as amended carried by a
unanimous roll call vote.
Land Planning Ngency -5- September 25, 7985
'. Motion by Mr. Meineke, seconded by P1r. Wickham to extend the meeti n9 beyond the
10:00 time limit in order to complete the one last item Dn the a9 enda. t1otion
carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
9. Re uest for Rezonin and Amendment to Land Use Plan - Vi tic Investments.
Owners: har es n Edwar equest to re ne frdn to C-2 and
mend Camprehensi ve Plan from Low oe nsi ty Residential to Commercial Office. Location:
South of SR 434, west side of Dxford Road.
Mr. Nagle stated that Mr. Jordan one of the ow s of the property in question
as present, but Mr. Ticket, the developer was pno t. Mr. Nagle asked that his
comments dated 8eptmlber 25, 1985 be made a part of the record.
Mr. Jordan stated he was the one of the owners of the subject property and stated
Mr. Tic kel already owned the property tv the north of his and was planning to
build a 2 or 3 story building on that land and stated that rather than r~ait
until that property is developed he decided to offer his property to Nr. Ticket
also, as M1e felt once Mr. Tic kel developed the property to the north of his,
his property would greatly deprecla te.
Based on the fact that Mr. Ticket w not present, P1r. Nagle stated, that perhaps
the LPA should defer their deci sionau ntll the next meeting.
Motion by Mr. Wickham, s conded by Mr. Hammond, to table the request until the next
re9 ularly scheduled meeting in order for the issue to be stutli ed in further detail,
Motion carried by a unanimous roll call vote.
10. Other discussion items.
Motion by Ilr. Meineke, s conded by Mr. IVic kham, to send a en0 to City Canmi ssi on
to request that they a ke the Fire Depar bnent to w ment onm the Poll owi n9 items
to plan: sprinkler sys [ens, exits fran buildings, fire lanes, driveway
~atli us~or curbs to accrnmlodate fire trucks.
11. Meeti n9 adjourned at approximately 11:00 p.m
Geri 2ambri, Deputy City Clerk
City of Longwood, Florida