Charter06-25-13Min City of Longwood
2013 Charter Advisory Committee
Longwood City Commission Chambers
175 West Warren Avenue
Longwood, Florida
MINUTES
June 25, 2013 7:00 P.M.
Present: Chair Ben Paris
Vice Chair Logan Cody
Member Becky Huse
Member Alesia Carringer
Dan Langley, City Attorney
Sarah M. Mirus, Recording Secretary
Absent: Member Malcom Cooper
1. CALL TO ORDER. Chair Paris called the meeting to order at 7:01 p.m.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES- May 28, 2013.
Vice Chair Cody moved to approve the minutes. Seconded by
Member Huse and carried by a unanimous voice vote with
Member Cooper absent.
3. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. None.
4. REVIEW OF CHARTER.
A. ARTICLE IV. City Officers.
Chair Paris said he was considering bringing up the changing of a
title. In doing his research, he found that the title of City
Administrator is usually reserved for people that work under a
power Mayor. He said it is usually a City Manager who works
when there is not a power Mayor. This was adopted in Longwood
back when there was a power Mayor, and we called him a City
Administrator. Chair Paris said there are very few City
Administrators left, so Longwood has someone representing us
that basically runs the City and is called the City Administrator.
He said he was not sure if this is the proper Article to make this
change to, because it is the first Article that mentions the City
Administrator. He said he would like to consider changing the title
of City Administrator to City Manager, just the title, nothing else.
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Chair Paris said that is his interpretation from the research he has
done. He asked for advice from Mr. Langley, and if this is
correct.
Mr. Langley said he would not say it is incorrect. He said all the
cities he has worked for, other than the City of Longwood, the
person who runs the day to day operations is called the City
Manager. That is the norm for him, and he does not know if that is
the norm for every city. He has not done an independent study, but
it looks like you have researched it. He noted he is not familiar
with any other city in Central Florida other than Longwood that
has a City Administrator.
Member Carringer said basically, he is managing the City, so his
title might as well be what he is. She said Administrator gives a
different connotation to what he does.
Chair Paris said it is mostly for aesthetics and for representing us.
He thinks it would be better if he represented us as the City
Manager and said again that he thinks this is the only Article that
refers to changing his title from City Administrator to City
Manager.
Member Carringer said it sounds more professional as well, and it
sets the tone for what he is and the power that he has.
Chair Paris made a motion to change the City Administrator's title
to City Manager. Seconded by Vice Chair Cody and carried by a
unanimous voice vote with Member Cooper absent.
Chair Paris asked if there were any other issues with Article IV.
Vice Chair Cody said he had a question. He asked because he is
on a fixed term, should there be a re- confirmation at some time.
Otherwise, you get one guy in there, which is what we were
discussing at the last meeting.
Member Carringer said he is hired and fired by the
Commissioners.
Vice Chair Cody said there is no set time table.
Member Carringer said he is constantly under scrutiny.
Chair Paris said we have gone through quite a few City Managers.
Usually, if he or she starts messing up, the Commission is quick to
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react. He said he thinks we should leave it where it is. It has
worked so far.
Member Huse said she read that they did get an annual review.
Member Carringer said if you have been to any of the meetings
and anything goes wrong, his feet are basically held to the fire.
Vice Chair Cody said he has one more question. He asked if there
was anything about the City Administrator being held to the same
standards as the Commissioners were as far as felonies and
misdemeanors were concerned.
Mr. Langley said it was in Section 4.0, Sub - Section 3 and it covers
conduct. He said that the City Administrator's Contract goes into
some detail about those things.
Chair Paris said if there was nothing else to be covered in Article
IV, they will move on to Article V.
B. ARTICLE V. Administrative Department.
It was the consensus of the Committee to move past Article V with
no recommendations with Member Cooper absent.
5. OLD BUSINESS.
A. ARTICLE III, SECTION 3.01. Composition, Qualifications of
Members, Commission Districts, Election, Term of Office,
Oath and Forfeiture.
Chair Paris said this will cover what the Attorney wrote -up for
them. He said his only question was do they want to clarify in this
particular Section what happens if a Commissioner steps down or
was removed from office, and there was a partial term that was
held by somebody.
Mr. Langley said this Section talks about the term of office, not
about the person. The four (4) years runs, and if a person vacates
the office, the term has to be filled in accordance with the other
provisions of the Charter that go to filling vacancies. The person
filling the vacancy term was up when that person who vacated the
position's term would have been up. There was constantly a four
(4) year interval where there will always be an election on even
number of years.
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Member Carringer said, so it does not matter when his term was
UP.
Chair Paris said but that person stepped in halfway through one (1)
term, filled two (2) years and then ran for election, they would
only hold six (6) years in office, but then they could not run for an
additional term. He said he was okay with it that way as long as it
was not the key to clarify one way or the other.
Member Hues said he was saying that person did not have two (2)
full terms.
Chair Paris said but if he did run and got it, he would now have ten
(10) years.
Member Carringer said he would know that, going into the vacant
position ahead of time.
Chair Paris said he was okay with that, but do they need to clarify
that or just leave it ambiguous.
Mr. Langley said when he was drafting this, he considered that.
He said one way of making that clear, because this could go either
way, was that they could put in where he has the provision,
"Commencing on the date the City's general election is held in
2014, no person shall serve or be eligible to serve more than two
(2) four year terms..." Mr. Langley said that way if they were
filling in for someone who vacated, that temporary spot would not
count toward their term limits. He said keep in mind if the position
was vacated six (6) months into the term, the person could serve a
pretty long term.
Chair Paris said, it could be good or it could be bad. He just
wanted to see if they should clarify it and spell it out.
Member Carringer said to her it should not matter. She said it
should be spelled out that regardless if it was one (1) week and two
(2) days or three (3) years and forty (40) days, it should be spelled
out that your term was two (2).
Chair Paris said so if someone steps in and does a partial term, they
only get to fill that term out and then they have one (1) more term.
Member Carringer said they still come back to the same thing.
Even if they could not stand that person for six (6) years and gave
him another six (6) years, it still falls into the same thing they were
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trying to get out of, and that was terms are terms, whether they
spend forty (40) days in it or four (4) years in it, a term was a term.
Chair Paris said the way they have it written up, it spells it out that
they get those terms only.
Mr. Langley said that was how he would interpret it as two (2)
terms. He said they could clarify it even further.
Chair Paris said he was okay with this as long as they do not
specify that they get an additional term. It was for two (2) terms
only.
Vice Chair Cody said even if they were filling for one (1) of those
terms, it was still counted as a term.
Chair Paris said he sees no issues with how Mr. Langley drew this
up, as long as it was clear that if they fill in for a week and they
were up for election the next week that was their one (1) term.
Mr. Langley said if they were okay with this language, someone
needs to make a motion to recommend that Section 3.01 be
modified as specified in this document. That way, there was
something in the Minutes that shows that this was a
recommendation.
Member Carringer moved that be done. Seconded by
Member Hues and carried by a unanimous voice vote with
Member Cooper absent.
Vice Chair Cody asked if there would be anything wrong with
getting a business card saying City Charter Review Member if he
pays for it himself.
Mr. Langley said he did not know the answer to that.
Chair Paris said the other thing before they adjourn was he noticed
there was a Cost Analysis attached that they asked for. He said he
wanted to make note that they all have seen it.
Member Carringer said when it was possible to piggyback on to
Seminole County, it would make sense. She said now they know if
they have to do a special election or would want to do one, it
would not be terribly expensive, only about $10,000 or $15,000,
which seems reasonable.
The Committee Members were in agreement.
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6. AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
Chair Paris suggested doing Articles VI and VII for the next meeting. He
said also Mr. Langley will reword the previous Article for changing over
to City Manager.
Mr. Langley said it would be simple to do it on an Ordinance. It would be
simply a ballot question that says for every instance that the words City
Administrator appeared in the Charter, the words City Manager will be
substituted. He said he does not think it would be necessary for him to do
a red line of all the Charter provisions to show that. He said he could put
all their changes on one (1) document, so he can put in a simple word
change from City Administrator to City Manager as a recommendation
and keep it simple.
Chair Paris said he liked it.
Member Carringer said keeping it simple was perfect.
7. ADJOURN. Chair Paris adjourned the meeting 7:17 p.m.
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